I was sad when they hanged Saddam

[tragic_pizza]

Did you, or did you not, say "Killing is a stupid thing to do in any circumstance"? You want your posts to be taken for what they say? That is what you said; no exceptions-- you said under any circumstances.

So make up your mind... accept exactly what you say, or what we think is implied.

This is truly like arguing with three-year-olds.

Killing is stupid under any circumstances.

Find a reference to God in that sentence, and you need to adjust your psychotropic medications.

 

[annsni]

This is truly like arguing with three-year-olds.

Killing is stupid under any circumstances.

Find a reference to God in that sentence, and you need to adjust your psychotropic medications.

Why don't you rephrase it to say what you mean - "human beings killing is stupid under any circumstances".

When you say "under any circumstances" it certainly DOES encompass everyone - you, me, George Bush, the soldier in the Army, the doctor pulling the plug, the murderer AND God.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Why don't you rephrase it to say what you mean - "human beings killing is stupid under any circumstances".

When you say "under any circumstances" it certainly DOES encompass everyone - you, me, George Bush, the soldier in the Army, the doctor pulling the plug, the murderer AND God.

Because it is the height of silliness to think I would be referring to God, that's why. Further, it's insulting that you or anyone else would insinuate that I have the hubris to dictate what God may or may not do.

 

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[tragic_pizza]

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I'll try to refrain from making attacks when my Christian integrity is questioned.

 

[Pastor Larry]

How do you exclude God from "under any circumstance"?

 

[tragic_pizza]

How do you exclude God from "under any circumstance"?

How do you include God in a conversation between human beings about human beings?

The subject was humans hanging other humans. The subject was most decidedly not whether it's OK for God to kill folks.

It went there because you decided you wanted an argument. You wanted to make someone else look small. You wanted to "win."

 

[Pastor Larry]

Because your comment was not about "human beings." It was about "any circumstances," which by any definition of "any" that I am aware of is not limited to human beings. You made the statement.

But even at that, your statement about limiting your comments to "human beings" doesn't answer my original question about God commanding human beings to kill other human beings (cf. the conquest). Was that a stupid command by God to command human beings to kill other human beings?

All you need to do is engage in the conversation. Explain what you mean. That's all. No need to argue about it.

I didn't want an argument. I think this whole argument is silly. I didn't want to make someone look small. I don't have that ability. As for winning, I don't really care that much. I have won enough in my life to not worry about it on some internet forum. I have also lost enough in my life to not worry about it on some internet forum.

I was simply wondering about your statement. Apparently you didn't mean "any circumstances." But what did you mean? You have yet to actually tell us. You have simply complained that someone asked you a question.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Last I checked, we are not Israelites taking the Promised Land from the Canaanites, but I could be wrong. Last I checked we are under the blood of the new covenant, but I've been wrong before.

So, having said that, if God commanded the Israelites to kill every living thing, then they would have been stupid not to do so. In fact, in some cases they didn't, and it turned out poorly for them.

For the last time (I hope, but sincerely doubt): God is not stupid. God created all life, all of life is at God's command, and if God decides to take life, God can do so at God's command.

You have never created life from nothing. Niether have I. We are not God.

Thus killing under any circumstance is pretending to be God. And that is stupid.

 

[PJ]

I'm always sad when a human life is taken, but there was a great risk of this criminal finding some "out" in prison. In my humble opinion, the punishment fit the crime this time.

Perhaps our great country should revisit its system of punishment (not hanging, necessarily). I suspect we'd see a lot less crime.

Just my 2 cents ...

 

[Pastor Larry]

Last I checked, we are not Israelites taking the Promised Land from the Canaanites, but I could be wrong. Last I checked we are under the blood of the new covenant, but I've been wrong before.

Which isn't really relevant, since the statement about "under any circumstances," without distinction between the OT and NT.

So, having said that, if God commanded the Israelites to kill every living thing, then they would have been stupid not to do so. In fact, in some cases they didn't, and it turned out poorly for them.

So you agree that killing is not wrong under any circumstances?

For the last time (I hope, but sincerely doubt): God is not stupid. God created all life, all of life is at God's command, and if God decides to take life, God can do so at God's command.[/quoet]I agree.

Thus killing under any circumstance is pretending to be God. And that is stupid.

Except when God commands it, right?

 

[tragic_pizza]

"Hey, let's twist the Liberal's words to say what we want them to say!"

Who's the last person God told you to kill?

 

[Pastor Larry]

I didn't twist your words, and it seems you are avoiding the issue.

Is killling stupid if God commands it?

 

[tragic_pizza]

I didn't twist your words, and it seems you are avoiding the issue.

Is killling stupid if God commands it?

Is God telling you to kill someone?

(Thanks, DHK, and I will be more careful in the future.)

 

[annsni]

You know what I'm seeing here? A lot of pride. A lot of "well, that's not what I said. It's stupid to think that". How about "Sorry if that's how you read that - it's not what I meant??" Isn't that the Christlike thing to do?? You know, in Scripture it does talk about watching what you do/say to protect your brother/sister. I had a case of a woman I know thinking for an entire year that I thought she was stupid and not worth my time because she sent me an e-mail pouring her heart out to me (she had been ritualistically sexually abused in occultic practices) and I didn't answer her. What happened was that I never got the e-mail!! You know what? I apologized anyway - even though I did absolutely nothing wrong! But she perceived hurt and I was sorry that it happened. I assured her that I would never do that and we are now friends again.

Can you think of possibly being in the same spirit?

 

[Citizen]

I was praying to the very last hour before he was hanged that God would touch him and he would accept Jesus as his personal Saviour. I know he did alot of horrible things but sin is sin and I would not wish Hell to anyone.

Good for you Tali. When the Christian stops caring about lost souls, that Christian has a serious problem.

 

[tragic_pizza]

You know what I'm seeing here? A lot of pride. A lot of "well, that's not what I said. It's stupid to think that". How about "Sorry if that's how you read that - it's not what I meant??" Isn't that the Christlike thing to do?? You know, in Scripture it does talk about watching what you do/say to protect your brother/sister. I had a case of a woman I know thinking for an entire year that I thought she was stupid and not worth my time because she sent me an e-mail pouring her heart out to me (she had been ritualistically sexually abused in occultic practices) and I didn't answer her. What happened was that I never got the e-mail!! You know what? I apologized anyway - even though I did absolutely nothing wrong! But she perceived hurt and I was sorry that it happened. I assured her that I would never do that and we are now friends again.

Can you think of possibly being in the same spirit?

Well, yes.

But can you see, even a little, how it feels to get a dozen Fundies screaming at you for something you didn't say? It isn't pride so much as it hurts.

 

[annsni]

Do you know how much it hurt ME when I found an e-mail being told off from this woman when I had NO clue what happened - only that she was angry at me, finished with me and was hurt to her core? She's such a delicate person emotionally and mentally that to think that, even inadvertantly, I hurt her so much?? I honestly cried when that happened and called her immediately!! I made sure that I restored that relationship - apologizing profusely for what happened!

I don't think you would have had ANYONE "screaming" at you if you had cleared up the misunderstanding in a kinder, gentler way.

Colossians 4:6 says "Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person."

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Well, yes.

But can you see, even a little, how it feels to get a dozen Fundies screaming at you for something you didn't say? It isn't pride so much as it hurts.

Oh please. You are such a victim.

I think you like getting "fundies" riled up. I think that's why you used the word "stupid" in the first place, and it is further evidenced by your absolute refusal to clarify.

Your "poor little hurt me" schtick sure does amuse.

 

[tragic_pizza]

Oh please. You are such a victim.

I think you like getting "fundies" riled up. I think that's why you used the word "stupid" in the first place, and it is further evidenced by your absolute refusal to clarify.

Your "poor little hurt me" schtick sure does amuse.

I used "stupid" because that's the word that fits.

Notice it wasn't used against individuals, or against people per se in any case, but to describe the act.

And your opinion of me is as important to me as the weekly average water level of Lake Lurleen. Which is to say, not at all.