Iceland's chief Epidemiologist admits vaccines dont work to stop covid spread

[Reynolds]

I do not trust either, so I really have not listened to either.

I just know....from High School biology...that vaccines typically do not keep people from getting sick. This is because, while not the best student, I listened enough (apparently more than many).

I did too. Kind of why it surprised me when they said this one would.

 

[kyredneck]

False accusation. It is no work at all (being a smart tail comes naturally.....it's my spiritual gift).

Yes. If it helps you to understand, just think of me as omniscient.

Actually, it was in the article @Scott Downey posted about Iceland. He seemed to think the article correct, so I went with his numbers.

I have been to Norway, but never Iceland.....although zi hear it's cool.

I miss the 'funny' button. So, FUNNY.

 

[JonC]

The unvaxxers are the ones doing the stats now!? Ha

I do not believe anything those liars say. Not a thing, and in fact if they say something my automatic response is to assume the opposite may be true. They are fired! We have already seen the suppression of other voices. That alone kills any and everything they promote and claim! We have seen that treatments are swept under the rug. That sets off warning bells of possible vested interests and collusion. We have see the ever changing claims on masks and rules and how these were applied for example in closing down God's people trying to meet. We have seen that murdered babies are very much a part of what was used to get a vaccine if in no other way that the research basis and history. We are seeing cruise ships getting sick again, only this time the numbers are hidden! All the crew and passengers were stuck with the needles. The same thing is true in various places where we see that the vaccinated are getting sick and dying of the disease the jab was supposed to protect them from. The whole treatment is an experiment anyhow and was never tested properly, and the drug pushers that sell the vaccines were given immunity from legal remedies!

Yes, the anti-vaxers and the oro-vaxers are both doing the stats. Each manupliates data to support their agenda regardless of truth (the anti-vaxers are afraid of dying, the pro-vaxers are afraid of being proven wrong).

Both have agendas. I think it safe to say you are snugly in your camp.

The proof of anti-vax fear is in these past several threads (the OP's were "fake news"). They have run out of stuff to focus on (like vetting the vaccine, legitimate safety concerns, that the vacvine as of today is still not FDA approved, etc.) and have resorted to misinformation and conspiracy theory.

 

[JonC]

I did too. Kind of why it surprised me when they said this one would.

I'm not surprised by anything. The Trump Administration said the vacvine would prevent covid infection. The Biden Administration took off on that note. They are all corrupt.

But I never relied on those powers. I read the info put out from the pharmaceutical companies. Less political (they were upfront where Trump and Biden were not).

 

[kyredneck]

FWIW, my youngest daughter is ICU RN at a major hospital in Lexington. She's basically full time covid nurse since the very beginning of the epidemic, burnt out, no doubt PTSD, witnessed many very sad cases during that time. The latest from her is that they are now seeing new cases of vaccinated people with covid but none who were previously infected. She is convinced 'natural t-cell immunity' is far superior to the vaccine.

 

[JonC]

You coulda fooled me! You appear to defend the whole program vehemently. Your actions speak louder than your words.

You are mistaking my dislike for lies told by the anti-vaxers for a like of the pro-vacvine lies told by the Trump and Biden Administration's about the vaccine.

I understand you are anti-vax. And I can even respect that.....until the lies start. The anti-vax crowd on the BB is posting as a pep-ralley. They have absolutely no regard for truth. Many oro-vax people are the same way.

Just look at this thread if you doubt it. It is full of propaganda, false & misleading information against the vaccination. BUT how many anti-vax professing Christians have spoken up to say "Wait! I am opposed to getting g vacvinated because of such and such, but as Christians we do not need to lie or spread lies."?

That has not happened. Even you failed to call out lies when the lies suit your views. That is wrong. It is unChristian. And it is a sin because you contribute to the problem just as much as the pro-vax propaganda contributes to the problem.

I doubt God cares about which lies you support....only that you support lies - either actively or passively.

 

[JonC]

FWIW, my youngest daughter is ICU RN at a major hospital in Lexington. She's basically full time covid nurse since the very beginning of the epidemic, burnt out, no doubt PTSD, witnessed many very sad cases during that time. The latest from her is that they are now seeing new cases of vaccinated people with covid but none who were previously infected. She is convinced 'natural t-cell immunity' is far superior to the vaccine.

I don't know. A coworker is the adm. at Lexington hospital (in SC). She said the hospital is now full of covid patients, mostly unvacvinated BUT both vacvinated and past covid patients are now ill.

From what she has seen the vaccine seems to do better than those who had mild covid symptoms from a past infection. The only ones critically I'll are the unvaccinated (unfortunately including young children).

 

[Reynolds]

I'm not surprised by anything. The Trump Administration said the vacvine would prevent covid infection. The Biden Administration took off on that note. They are all corrupt.

But I never relied on those powers. I read the info put out from the pharmaceutical companies. Less political (they were upfront where Trump and Biden were not).

He might have, but I don't recall Trump saying it would prevent Covid. Joe, was saying he not taking vax.

 

[kyredneck]

covid patients, mostly unvacvinated

Yes, that's a given...

BUT both vacvinated and past covid patients are now ill.

I just called and quized her and she reiterated what she told me a couple weeks ago, 'new cases of vaccinated people with covid but none who were previously infected'. Of course that may change.

My whole clan (nine of us) was infected back in December and to my knowledge none intend to get vaccinated.

 

[Scott Downey]

FWIW, my youngest daughter is ICU RN at a major hospital in Lexington. She's basically full time covid nurse since the very beginning of the epidemic, burnt out, no doubt PTSD, witnessed many very sad cases during that time. The latest from her is that they are now seeing new cases of vaccinated people with covid but none who were previously infected. She is convinced 'natural t-cell immunity' is far superior to the vaccine.

Of course, absolutely, naturally acquired immunity is better than a vaccine, but it wont end the vaccines. Vaccines governments will continue to push on the public, even when the data shows they dont work very well.

 

[JonC]

He might have, but I don't recall Trump saying it would prevent Covid. Joe, was saying he not taking vax.

Yea....not only that but perhaps your standard Trump targeted the elderly.

It was all political. A few weeks ago Trumo was blaming Biden for not getting more people vaccinated. And of course now Biden is taking credit for the vaccine. Go figure.

I guess the anti-vax folk and I have one thing in common. We will not support the GOP or the DNC. Maybe you should run for election.

 

[JonC]

Yes, that's a given...



I just called and quized her and she reiterated what she told me a couple weeks ago, 'new cases of vaccinated people with covid but none who were previously infected'. Of course that may change.

My whole clan (nine of us) was infected back in December and to my knowledge none intend to get vaccinated.

I think a lot may have to do with the population. Most here are unvaccinated, so I think it logical that they are the ones dying (they make up the largest part of the population).

My brother had covid and doesn't plan on getting vaccinated. He is thinking about it because we have prior covid people getting covid. But we also have vaccinated people getting it as well.

 

[Reynolds]

Yea....not only that but perhaps your standard Trump targeted the elderly.

It was all political. A few weeks ago Trumo was blaming Biden for not getting more people vaccinated. And of course now Biden is taking credit for the vaccine. Go figure.

I guess the anti-vax folk and I have one thing in common. We will not support the GOP or the DNC. Maybe you should run for election.

Not me. Y'all got a great U.S. Rep. They don't get any better than Timmons.

 

[Reynolds]

Yea....not only that but perhaps your standard Trump targeted the elderly.

It was all political. A few weeks ago Trumo was blaming Biden for not getting more people vaccinated. And of course now Biden is taking credit for the vaccine. Go figure.

I guess the anti-vax folk and I have one thing in common. We will not support the GOP or the DNC. Maybe you should run for election.

Not me. Y'all got a great U.S. Rep. They don't get any better than Timmons.

 

[dad2]

Yes, the anti-vaxers and the pro-vaxers are both doing the stats. Each manupliates data to support their agenda regardless of truth (the anti-vaxers are afraid of dying, the pro-vaxers are afraid of being proven wrong).

Both have agendas. I think it safe to say you are snugly in your camp.

The proof of anti-vax fear is in these past several threads (the OP's were "fake news"). They have run out of stuff to focus on (like vetting the vaccine, legitimate safety concerns, that the vacvine as of today is still not FDA approved, etc.) and have resorted to misinformation and conspiracy theory.

Twitter facebook, and all the main media outlets are pro vaxxers? Hilarious.

 

[dad2]

You are mistaking my dislike for lies told by the anti-vaxers for a like of the pro-vacvine lies told by the Trump and Biden Administration's about the vaccine.

I understand you are anti-vax. And I can even respect that.....until the lies start. The anti-vax crowd on the BB is posting as a pep-ralley. They have absolutely no regard for truth. Many oro-vax people are the same way.

Just look at this thread if you doubt it. It is full of propaganda, false & misleading information against the vaccination. BUT how many anti-vax professing Christians have spoken up to say "Wait! I am opposed to getting g vacvinated because of such and such, but as Christians we do not need to lie or spread lies."?

That has not happened. Even you failed to call out lies when the lies suit your views. That is wrong. It is unChristian. And it is a sin because you contribute to the problem just as much as the pro-vax propaganda contributes to the problem.

I doubt God cares about which lies you support....only that you support lies - either actively or passively.

What does Trump have to do with it?? When the stats are bogus and not kept correctly and honestly of course they are bogus. How many vaxxed people died exactly? Who can know? How many vaxxed got sick and were labelled as some other cause? How many vaccinated are in the new cases exactly? Etc. They have no stats only propaganda.

 

[JonC]

Not me. Y'all got a great U.S. Rep. They don't get any better than Timmons.

I also like Tim Scott. He graduated from Charleston Southern (where my son is going....studying youth ministry....next Friday).

 

[Reynolds]

I think a lot may have to do with the population. Most here are unvaccinated, so I think it logical that they are the ones dying (they make up the largest part of the population).

My brother had covid and doesn't plan on getting vaccinated. He is thinking about it because we have prior covid people getting covid. But we also have vaccinated people getting it as well.

I am honestly at a loss as to what the whole truth is. A guy that works for me has a sister who is an ICU nurse in a hospital south of Augusta Ga. She had been hounding him about getting vaccinated. He told me this morning that over the weekend she told him it does not really matter, they have as many vaccinated in ICU as unvaccinated.

 

[JonC]

Twitter facebook, and all the main media outlets are pro vaxxers? Hilarious.

I don't know. I don't do any of those and am not in the pro-vax camp.

Trump and Biden are both pro-vax (trying to out do each other), but that is not what I meant by political issue.

 

[JonC]

What does Trump have to do with it?? When the stats are bogus and not kept correctly and honestly of course they are bogus. How many vaxxed people died exactly? Who can know? How many vaxxed got sick and were labelled as some other cause? How many vaccinated are in the new cases exactly? Etc. They have no stats only propaganda.

Trump blamed Biden (3 weeks ago) for not getting more people vaccinated. Trump also took credit for the vaccine.