KenH
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With my puny human brain? Of course not.
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If God is Not Sovereign, Then There is No Grace
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With my puny human brain? Of course not.
KenH
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KenH
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I was not deflecting.
No, I just disagree with your false gospel.
I was simply proving that you can't just assume every time you see the word "all" that it means every person on earth, as obviously in Luke 2:1 it does not.
KenH
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True. Those opposed to salvation by the free sovereign grace of God, including the Biblical truth of particular redemption, try to run away from the logical conclusion that arises from their teaching that Christ paid the sin debt of every person that will ever live, namely, that if Christ paid the sin debt for every person who will ever live, then every person who will ever live will be, must be, saved. That is the logical conclusion of their false teaching, regardless of how much they try in vain to deny it.
I know you're a good person, Ken, but that is some messed up theology you're following right there!
A total misunderstanding of God's sovereignty. What a mess it is!
I've addressed this statement by Price before. as I remember on two occasions.
You're determined to follow, and so be it.
Charlie24 can't fix this, and I'll not address any more of your Calvinist beliefs.
Ascetic X
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The fact that Jesus did indeed die for all the sins of all humanity does not mean every person will automatically be saved. Each person has to trust in Christ individually. If Christ died only for the elect, which is not substantiated by any Bible verse, then the unsaved have an excuse for not responding to the gospel.
The sin debt for all has been paid, but that freedom from sin debt is only activated and valid for a person when they repent and trust in the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. I can put a million dollars on your front porch, but it does you no good if you never go out and get it.
I Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.
Romans 6:10
The death He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life He lives, He lives to God.
Romans 5:6-8
For at just the right time, while we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly.
Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die.
But God proves His love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
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Silverhair
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Jumping from one verse to another in the attempt to support your view that ALL in John 12:32 means elect is deflecting
It is not my gospel Ken. It is the word of God.
You should take your own advice Ken. I have never said or assumed that ALL always means all people on earth but then again I do not see it meaning the elect either.
You have to look at the context to see what it means. I have found that many calvinists read into the text and force it to agree with their view.
Brightfame52
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The whole world of the elect, in other words the atonement was not just national in scope but international, covering a people located throughout the world.