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Is 1 John 2:2 Really a defence of Universal Atonement?

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Jarthur001

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Sorry..i was kicked off too last night..

So to review....

You believe that ....

1) Gods main goal was to save all mankind.


So...the next thing I must ask....

Does God know all things from the beginning to the end? Does he "foreknow" who will go to heaven?
 
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Brother Bob

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When Christ gave his life..was it for all or many?
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He gave His life for all, but all did not believe.
The offering was made to the Father and Jesus presented His blood for all to the Father and God then uses that blood to cleanse the sins away from the believer. Atonement was made for all but it was not all but many that accepted it by believing.
 
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Brother Bob

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Does God know all things from the beginning to the end? Does he "foreknow" who will go to heaven?
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Yes, but that does not mean he caused it just because He knows. He knows all for He is timeless. Foreknow is for man not God.
 
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Blammo

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Jarthur001 said:
Does God also know who will go to hell?
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Yes, God knows everything.

He knows who is going to be murdered today.
He knows where the child molester lives.
He knows when and where the next school shooting will occur.
He knows how many drugs will cross the border today.
He knows who will buy the drugs.
He knows who will have their family ruined by alcohol, drugs, adultry....

Now, here is a question for you: Is God the cause of these things, or does He allow them?
 
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Jarthur001

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Blammo said:
Yes, God knows everything.

He knows who is going to be murdered today.
He knows where the child molester lives.
He knows when and where the next school shooting will occur.
He knows how many drugs will cross the border today.
He knows who will buy the drugs.
He knows who will have their family ruined by alcohol, drugs, adultry....

Now, here is a question for you: Is God the cause of these things, or does He allow them?
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Even "allowing evil" works in th Calvinist Bible based system. Where as...your freewill systems has some major problems, for it does not work. :)

would you care to see?
 
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Brother Bob

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Does God also know who will go to hell?
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Of course He knows who will not believe in Him and unbelief will send them to hell. Again, because He knows does not mean He caused it to happen. The choice is up to the individual.

I know you are trying to set me up James but it won't work.
 
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Jarthur001

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Brother Bob said:
Of course He knows who will not believe in Him and unbelief will send them to hell. Again, because He knows does not mean He caused it to happen. The choice is up to the individual.

I know you are trying to set me up James but it won't work.
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Set you up? me? :)

we are placing all the points of freewill together. If it works....it works. If not..then you have problems. But I'm sure you have no fear, being that it will "not work".


so..just a few more and I will make my point. It seems to work better if we go slow.
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I know your answer to this, but I want all of this in one thread.

Does man have freewill to choose God?


If all goes well...one more after this and the point will be posted
 
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Jarthur001

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Brother Bob said:
Yes he does
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ok..do you believe that most men will be saved...or few?

I know there is no way to guess...but give me a range...

1)..100%-75%
2)..75%-50%
3)..50%-25%
4....less then 25%

Just a fun guess based on your feelings
 
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Brother Bob

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ok..do you believe that most men will be saved...or few?

I know there is no way to guess...but give me a range...

1)..100%-75%
2)..75%-50%
3)..50%-25%
4....less then 25%

Just a fun guess based on your feelings
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Don't make fun guess when it goes against scripture. Bible says there will be a remnant but that remnant according to scripture also will be a number that no man can number. If God told me I couldn't number it why would I even try James. :)

Man be a fool to answer that James!
 
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Jarthur001

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Brother Bob said:
Don't make fun guess when it goes against scripture. Bible says there will be a remnant but that remnant according to scripture also will be a number that no man can number. If God told me I couldn't number it why would I even try James. :)
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that is fair...

so lets do it easy.

do you feel that 90% of mankind that lives today is saved ?
 
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Jarthur001

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Brother Bob said:
I will give you a scriptural answer and that is it is the minority.
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The RCC teaches that a person can have a 2nd chance ...for the soul goes to a holding play. I'm sure you do not believe this do you? Onces you die...it is over. You are saved forever more...or lost forever more. Do you agree?
 
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Blammo

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Did he steal it? I am missing one.

Blammo, you take over a while and let me go and take a nap.
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Go ahead, take a nap. I'll take it from here.

(My Grandpa bought the watch.... I think)
 
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