Is alcohol a sin?

[LauraB]

It's not so much weather it's a sin or not, but we as saved christians want to set an example for the unsaved.

We loose or hurt our testimony when we do things that are of the flesh.

What if you saw your Pastor walking out of a liquor store, or better yet, what if you are not saved and you see "that guy" who always stands out on the street preaching out of the bible and telling you how to get to heaven and what will happen if your not saved etc, etc, etc... and you see him walking out of a liquor store, even though he may have only went in to buy ice, but you only see him walking out of the liquor store, his testimony is now spoiled.

What if you saw your pastor smoking, and then he preached about smoking and how you shouldn't do it, etc... etc... etc...

Not a matter of sin, we are always being watched by the secular world, and they are there just waiting to catch us doing something not nessesarily wrong, but looks that way.
We need to ALWAYS conduct ourselves accordingly.
Go 3 miles out of your way to get that ice, just don't go in the corner liquor store.

 

[HeavenlyGal32]

Judges 13:5 Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing:

Proverbs2 3:20 Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:
21 For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.
30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine.
31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
32 At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder.

This is what God's Word says

 

[Paul of Eugene]

Somewhere I remember hearing somebody comment about alcohol that if it were discovered today, and all its known properties and affects on the mind and body were known, and all its risk factors, etc, but it had no history or tradition among us, it would be hailed as one of the great wonder drugs of modern science.

But it would only be available by prescription.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Wow, I didn't realize that this thread was still going. I wasn't going to post any personal experiences, but wanted to share this with all of you.

A very dear lifelong friend of mine lost his marriage because of alcohol. His wife is an alcoholic, and refused to get treatment. He threatened and threatened, and she was steadfast in her refusal to get help. He ended up divorcing her, being forced to "make good" on his threats. The hurt from this ordeal still permeates his soul.

This is something to consider when you drink. This particular lady has a masters degree and came from a very grounded home. Her addiction began after she finished undergraduate work. In the end, when given the choice between her husband and her addiction, she chose the addiction. (This is the reason that, although I used to drink in moderation, I no longer drink at all.)

If it could happen to her, it can happen to anyone. I am not trying to preach to any of you, but think about it: is it really worth it? This is rather extreme, but it could happen.

 

[Pete Richert]

Good story Bapist in Richmond. I will go ahead and forward it to Jesus so He won't do anything so crazy as make wine for any upcoming weddings. What a mistake that was!

Perhaps He should have been a little more considerate when He introduced the Lord's supper as well.

I'm sorry, I had to. I don't believe alchol is a sin in itself, especially since Jesus partaked, made, and in the OT it is refered to as a blessing from God. However it is so abused today (and for the last 6000 years) that if I was given a choice I would banish all alchohol from the planet. Not to question God's gift, but this is one gift that us humans are just not mature enough to handle.

 

[amixedupmom]

Drinking in moderation is not a sin, Some people say it's very helthy for you ( a glass of wine a day ). Personally I really don't have a taste for most Alchol. LOL I don't even know how to spell the word (ok that's bad I start college on Monday i'll do better I promise

). It's like overeating. It won't kill you directly, but in time it takes it's toll. Drinking is the same way. You might feel good now, but you are sure going to pay for it later :-S

God Bless

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Originally posted by Pete Richert:
Good story Bapist in Richmond. I will go ahead and forward it to Jesus so He won't do anything so crazy as make wine for any upcoming weddings. What a mistake that was!

Perhaps He should have been a little more considerate when He introduced the Lord's supper as well.

I'm sorry, I had to. I don't believe alchol is a sin in itself, especially since Jesus partaked, made, and in the OT it is refered to as a blessing from God. However it is so abused today (and for the last 6000 years) that if I was given a choice I would banish all alchohol from the planet. Not to question God's gift, but this is one gift that us humans are just not mature enough to handle.

Before you do anything, perhaps you should go back and read my prior posts before you post to the list......

 

[showard93]

Yes Alcohol is a sin!! I beleive that anything that defiles the body is a sin and that also could include lots of things. I also thing the wind Jesus made was pure juice from the grapes and thats all.

 

[showard93]

oops that was supposed to be wine not wind

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Originally posted by showard93:
Yes Alcohol is a sin!! I beleive that anything that defiles the body is a sin and that also could include lots of things. I also thing the wind Jesus made was pure juice from the grapes and thats all.

That is in direct contrast with Hebrew/Jewish tradition. Besides, the wine wasn't merely wine, but the very best. Do you really believe that the people were mad because they thought the best grape juice was saved for last?

 

[Rosebud]

Personally, I think that alcohol is a sin if not used in moderation. I don't drink and that's because for me one sip of it, made me feel yuck. However, if my husband wanted to drink in the privacy of our home without being in the streets doing it, or using our last dime to do so, AND of course, without become drunk then I think it's ok OCCASIONALLY.

I agree with LauraB completely about Christian reactions. The first thought most would have if they saw an upstanding member of the church purchasing alcohol would not be a good one.

Just my personal opinion. I believe it's whatever the Lord convicts you of. Also knowing your own limits and not being an alcohol glutton

 

[Ransom]

showard93 said:

Yes Alcohol is a sin!! I beleive that anything that defiles the body is a sin and that also could include lots of things.

Your argument is circular, since you start right off the bat with an assumption that merely drinking an alcoholic beverage "defiles the body" without regard to quantity or motive. That is what has yet to be proven.

I also thing the wind Jesus made was pure juice from the grapes and thats all.

The Passover tradition of Jesus' time included four symbolic cups of wine, the third of which was called the "Cup of Blessing," and was probably the one Jesus called the "new covenant" in his blood.

But wine does not go approximately eight months, from fall to spring, without fermenting. Did the Bible also neglect to mention the miraculous preservation of 52 cups of wine in its original state?

 

[gb93433]

Certainly alcohol is not a sin. The doctor has used it to clean a wound. Paul told Timothy to drink a little. Some people today take Nyquil. It is the abuse that makes it sin.

Some years ago my parents were grape farmers. As kids we saw what went into making wine and that took away all curiosity. But we did have two bottles given to us by the winery. So from time to time we would take sips and it would remind us of how awful it is. Our family has never had a problem with its usage.

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by gb93433:
Certainly alcohol is not a sin.

I disagree, alcohol is sin straight from the depths of hell.

The doctor has used it to clean a wound.

For medical purposes, I agree.

Paul told Timothy to drink a little.

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. Timothy obviously had a stomach problem and if you were to go to a doctor for a stomach problem, they would probably tell you to refrain from alcoholic beverages. Wine is this passage referred to grape juice, because grape juice acts like a laxative, it cleans you out.

Some people today take Nyquil. It is the abuse that makes it sin.

I agree, abusing nyquil is sin. BTW, I use the alcohol free nyquil.

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by HomeBound:
I disagree, alcohol is sin straight from the depths of hell.

No, it is a blessing from God. See the first post on page 3 of this thread for scripture references. Do you believe the Bible? Do you believe those verses?

Originally posted by showard93:
Yes Alcohol is a sin!! I beleive that anything that defiles the body is a sin and that also could include lots of things.

Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

originally posted by Baptist in Richmond
A very dear lifelong friend of mine lost his marriage because of alcohol. His wife is an alcoholic, and refused to get treatment. He threatened and threatened, and she was steadfast in her refusal to get help. He ended up divorcing her, being forced to "make good" on his threats. The hurt from this ordeal still permeates his soul.

This is a sad story, but it is a story of abuse. MANY people have similar stories because of abuse of sex. Should we thus all abstain from that as well?

 

[RaptureReady]

Originally posted by BrianT:

Originally posted by HomeBound:
I disagree, alcohol is sin straight from the depths of hell.

No, it is a blessing from God. See the first post on page 3 of this thread for scripture references. Do you believe the Bible? Do you believe those verses?

Grapejuice(fruit of the vine) is a blessing from God, not alcoholic sin.

 

[IfbReformer]

Originally posted by HomeBound:
Grapejuice(fruit of the vine) is a blessing from God, not alcoholic sin.

Homebound,

Where does the Bible say "Grape Juice"? The Greek word is the same regardless.

IFBReformer

 

[IfbReformer]

Listen to some of these quotes we have seen by those who think that drinking alchohal(not just getting drunk) is a sin:

"alcohol is nothing but a trouble maker."

"Since you believe drinking is okay, take you a beer and a tract, go up to someone and say here, let me share the truth with you about Jesus and see what reaction you get. You may be amazed that a lost person knows more than you do about drinking."

"Drinking does nothing but please the flesh."

"Yes Alcohol is a sin!! I beleive that anything that defiles the body is a sin and that also could include lots of things."

What is that most of these have in common?

They are saying what they think - not what the Bible actually says. They have a feeling about this subject and are spouting their feelings. Alchohal was called, wine or strong drink or old wine in Biblical days.

While we see warnings against drunkeness althroughout the Bible we never hear it said the to drink old wine or strong drink is a sin in and of itself - it is the abuse of it -period.


IFBReformer

 

[RaptureReady]

IfbReformer, since your hung up on abuse, please explain to what degree would abuse occur, (i.e., 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 50th drink). BTW, just a quick side note, do you believe the King James Bible to be the preserved, infallible, perfect word of God? A Yes or No answer will suffice.

 

[BrianT]

Originally posted by HomeBound:
BTW, just a quick side note, do you believe the King James Bible to be the preserved, infallible, perfect word of God? A Yes or No answer will suffice.

Do you??? My KJV says "wine", while you seem to be saying that "grape juice" is the correct (or at least superior) translation. My KJV says Christ turned water into "wine". I believe it, you should too.