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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Miss E, Jul 27, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

    Yeshua1 Well-Known Member
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    Sounds like the issue in "when bad things happen to good people" book!
     
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    In the area of salvation, pretty much agree with the1689 Baptist Confession!
    Library1689-confession
     
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    What Calvinist teachers and texts are you reading from?
     
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    Maybe she is reading a Hyper Calvinist?
     
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    Interesting that some want to see us as using Calvin, and yet we are reformed baptist, not Presbyterians here! prefer the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles!
     
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    So if Calvin and others of the same feather are right, you hate God with a passion and worship idols?
     
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    Saying that God draws them, means that God Himself controls the actions of said believer. Thus, not giving them a choice in the matter. Yes, it IS forcing. That is what this Calvinism promotes and it is wrong.
     
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    The FACT of the matter is. Calvinists believe God is entirely sovereign right?

    okay

    So that means He is sovereign and makes sin happen which is FALSE.

    Man commits sin, via free will, and God can make that sin be used for good in His infinite wisdom and power. Yet another mystery of God we will probably never be able to understand!

    That is all I'm trying to state here. Why are ya'll so angry and against what I say when I'm just restating your own beliefs? Even your own people have been quoted (as I showed) saying that God is over evil!
     
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    Yeshua, I ask again, what do YOU believe? Do you belive in God's COMPLETE sovereignty? If so, you believe he controls everyone's actions, which includes EVIL acts. State your beliefs and then we'll talk more.
     
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    I don't consider judgement as God making someone sin. I regard it as a punishment.

    That's a punishment, not a sin.
     
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    He made people eat their young. Is that not sin? Can they get to heaven doing it?
     
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    This is a false correlation.

    When you are imprisoned, you have no capacity to free yourself. No matter how much you attempt, by your free will, you shall not be free.
    When someone comes along, opens the cell door, grabs you and walks you out to freedom does that equal forcing you? At some level...yes. You would have stayed in that jail cell your entire life if God hadn't come and opened your cell, then dragged you out to freedom.
    So...go ahead and yell at God for lovingly dragging your sorry self out of your cell and bringing you to freedom rather than just leave you be to wallow in your open cell and hope you figured it out.
     
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    OKAY? So why didn't God drag everyone's sorry butt out of their prison?

    What was the STANDARD that God used to save someone?

    Faith. If that person had FAITH in Jesus, God saved Him. I agree with that. :)
     
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    So you agree with the OP that God makes people sin? Hm. Okay.Noted.
     
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    :rolleyes:
    The only one that argues what God CANNOT do is the ANTI-Calvinist strawman version of God. For all serious discussion, the question is “What DOES God choose to do and what does God SAY he does?”

    [Daniel 4:35 NASB] 35 "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And [among] the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, 'What have You done?'
     
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    Did God cause sin knowing Adam would sin and then creating him? How could he not?
     
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    At least your Calvinist circular logic was short ... your Free Will answer is no less “begging the question” (as you called it), but is also a rambling wall of text. Try rewording it as a pithy conversation like the Calvinist version.
     
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    So you believe in a God that causes both good and evil?

    Then why does the Bible say God is Light and in Him there is no darkness at all?

    This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. (1 John 1:5)
     
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    Why are you throwing bitter taunts back at this man? He is trying to debate with you about the OP. Why are you refusing to have a conversation? You're acting quite childish.
     
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    Because he's not obligated. All of us are justly jailed and are guilty. The question is: Why drag anyone out? The angels long to figure out that answer since the fallen angels don't get that chance.

    God never tells us. God is not obligated to tell us. Do you hate God for not telling you? God never told Job why he gave Satan permission to kill Jobs children, all Jobs possessions and take away Jobs health. Instead, God questions Job. Do you hate God for doing that?

    You cannot have faith without God giving it to you.
    If you could create your own faith, then you could brag about the faith you created that lead you to choose God.
    Can you not see the arrogance and pridefulness in your demand that you be in control and make your own decisions apart from God? Does it not cause you to shudder? How do you dare speak such arrogance before God and tell him he is evil and a monster for dragging your sorry self out of your prison cell? I am, frankly, shocked at your arrogance and utter disdain for God's gracious rescue and redemption of your life.
     
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