Is The Papacy Threatened?

[BillySunday1935]

BillySunday, you are no Baptist and you are being dishonest by representing that you are. I actually agree with the positions you are taking, although I\'m probably the only Baptist here who does. snip...

By DHK\'s standards:
Because you agree with my so called heretical views, you cannot now be a Baptist and should therefore either change your profile to Catholic or Church of Christ, or be banned for misrepresenting yourself.

Peace!

 

[BillySunday1935]

snip...
You have been honest enough to volunteer more personal information about yourself. Note, that it may be that I might agree more with the doctrinal stand of Billy (overall), than with you. But the administration will not tolerate one who pretends to be something or someone when they are not.

I would like to respectfully point out that the requirement to prove my denominational standing cannot be explicitly found in the registration process OR in the public BaptistBoard.com Forum Rules. By making this a condition of my membership continuance here, you are holding me to a different and more rigorous standard than other members who joined under those same rules.

Additionally, you DHK – as a moderator are yourself violating at least two sections stated in the Forum Rules.

3. Show grace to the other posters. When someone disagrees with you, discuss it; but be slow to offend, and eager to get into the Word and find the answers. Remember, when discussing passionate issues, it is easy to go too far and offend. Further, if we are \"earnestly contending for the faith\" it would be unrealistic not to expect at times to be misunderstood or even ridiculed. But please note that your words can sometimes be harsh if used in the wrong way. The anger of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

4. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. The board has an edit button enabled. We encourage you to use it and edit your own words. Moderators and Administrators will be visibly proactive in dealing with potentially offensive situations. Posts of a violent or threatening nature, either implicitly or explicitly, will be deleted, and the poster\'s membership revoked. We encourage personal problems with other members be resolved privately via email or personal messaging.

Unbelievers visit this site as well and when they see anger toward others in the Body of Christ they immediately pass a bad judgment on us as a whole. Please be sensitive to this issue. Golden Rule - \'Post unto others as you would have them post unto you\'

Just FYI…

 

[lori4dogs]

You give yourself away with the use of Latin. I was raised Catholic which is why I have an affinity for it. However, a person raised in the baptist church? I'll repeat what Pontius Pilate said "Ecce Homo". However, you could be a lawyer. In which case latin phrases would be understandable. Mea Culpa.

I was raised Baptist, so Pax Vobiscum!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

What? You didnt learn Latin in High School? It used to be a required langauge course at Dothan High! Come on...

I said I was raised Catholic it was required of me. Add to that my extreme Catholic family and I didn't stand a chance. Its amazing I even left the church. But I did much to the disdane of both father and mother. Did you know because of that my mother didn't speak to me for 20 years? Not even a belated birthday card? However, Most Highschools I know of today don't require Latin.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I was raised Baptist, so Pax Vobiscum!

Etiam tecum.

 

[DHK]

By DHK\'s standards:
Because you agree with my so called heretical views, you cannot now be a Baptist and should therefore either change your profile to Catholic or Church of Christ, or be banned for misrepresenting yourself.

Peace!

It is not my standards. Your church that you mention in your profile has links to the SBC. The SBC posts this link:

http://sbc.net/aboutus/basicbeliefs.asp

Do your beliefs match up with the "basic beliefs" of the SBC as posted here. This is not my statement of faith. It is the SBC. It has nothing to do with me. I also gave you the Baptist Board statement of faith, not mine. Don't put this on me. I could give you my own as well. It would be much more extensive. But I will refrain from doing so. I have been entirely objective here. You don't even adhere to your own church's statement of faith. Why do you call yourself a Baptist?

 

[DHK]

I would like to respectfully point out that the requirement to prove my denominational standing cannot be explicitly found in the registration process OR in the public BaptistBoard.com Forum Rules. By making this a condition of my membership continuance here, you are holding me to a different and more rigorous standard than other members who joined under those same rules.

Are you unable to read?
Look at your profile.
It demands that you write DENOMINATION: beside the word denomination.
It demands that you write CHURCH: beside the word church.

You have done that. But have you done that honestly? If you are a Mormon or J.W. and have done that would that be honest? This is the case that we are looking at. You cannot say that you are a member of one church and post like you are not a member of said church. There is too much of a discrepancy. You must be honest in filling out your application. If you were posting that Christ is actually Michael the archangel, would I believe that you were a Baptist? I don't believe you are a Baptist for the same reason.

Additionally, you DHK – as a moderator are yourself violating at least two sections stated in the Forum Rules.

3. Show grace to the other posters. When someone disagrees with you, discuss it; but be slow to offend, and eager to get into the Word and find the answers. Remember, when discussing passionate issues, it is easy to go too far and offend. Further, if we are \"earnestly contending for the faith\" it would be unrealistic not to expect at times to be misunderstood or even ridiculed. But please note that your words can sometimes be harsh if used in the wrong way. The anger of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

I am not angry. I am upset at deceivers who come as false prophets to spew false doctrines under the guise of Baptists when they are not.

4. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. The board has an edit button enabled. We encourage you to use it and edit your own words. Moderators and Administrators will be visibly proactive in dealing with potentially offensive situations. Posts of a violent or threatening nature, either implicitly or explicitly, will be deleted, and the poster\'s membership revoked. We encourage personal problems with other members be resolved privately via email or personal messaging.

Keep it up and your membership will be revoked.
I will be visibly proactive in dealing with this potentially offensive situation.

Unbelievers visit this site as well and when they see anger toward others in the Body of Christ they immediately pass a bad judgment on us as a whole. Please be sensitive to this issue. Golden Rule - \'Post unto others as you would have them post unto you\'

Just FYI…

You are right, and at this point I have no reason to believe that you are a believer. The fruit of a believer is honesty.

 

[lori4dogs]

Now, hopefully, back to the OP.

Remember, even as head of CDF, Cardinal Ratzinger would not have known the scope of the problem until CDF took the cases themselves, and they got the world-wide scope of the problem. Until that time, cases had been processed piecemeal in Congregation for Clergy, who was notoriously inefficient and cases could stay there for years. Also, for most of the 80s and 90s, it was still believed in clerical heirarchical circles that these guys could be treated, cured, and then restored to ministry - much as they do with priests who are alcoholics. Most cops/lawyers didn’t want to touch these cases with a 10-ft. pole, and would simply refuse to pursue or prosecute, letting the church “handle” the problem internally. Many bishops relied on psychologists and treatment centers to give them the “go-ahead” to put these guys back in circulation. Now, that doesn’t explain why if someone was a repeat offender that some level of common sense didn’t kick in. And it doesn’t explain why this practice continued after psychological science coupled with more societal awareness and media attention made it patently clear that there was no “cure” for this problem and total removal from ministry was the only option.

 

[quantumfaith]

"Well DHK, you have accused me of being a deceiver [liar] in this regard."

Welcome to the Baptist Board! Get used to being called a 'heretic', apostate, un-believer, enemy of Jesus, a liar, cult member, etc. What a treat for Jesus!

Thank you Lori for sharing your thoughts, I have had many such of the same experience here with all the self appointed absolute "correctness" displayed by many present. Mercy, peace and Love in abundance.

 

[BillySunday1935]

"Well DHK, you have accused me of being a deceiver [liar] in this regard."

Welcome to the Baptist Board! Get used to being called a 'heretic', apostate, un-believer, enemy of Jesus, a liar, cult member, etc. What a treat for Jesus!

Thanks. I think that some people here take themselves way too seriously. After reading your trials and travails here, the following oddity finally struck me:

1. Catholics are not allowed to join BaptistBoard.com

2. If a member where to convert from the Baptist faith to Catholicism, said member, under threat of having their membership revoked, would be required to change their profile to indicate that they are now Catholic.

3. Once that member indicates their status as Catholic, said member would be summarily banned because Catholics aren't allowed to join BaptistBoard.com

Peace!

 

[lori4dogs]

For those of you on the board (DHK) who keep claiming that Baptists are not members of denominations. Please explain this:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=7954

The heading to this thread is: Denominational Sites

 

[DHK]

For those of you on the board (DHK) who keep claiming that Baptists are not members of denominations. Please explain this:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=7954

The heading to this thread is: Denominational Sites

Why not be honest about the link?
However, to give you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps the title of the thread was misleading. But you could have read carefully the OP

In a related topic on this forum, Baptist Groups, we are discussing the various Baptist groups in the United States. I thought some of you might like some links to some of these groups.

Nothing there about denominations.

 

[lori4dogs]

Why not be honest about the link?
However, to give you the benefit of the doubt, perhaps the title of the thread was misleading. But you could have read carefully the OP

In a related topic on this forum, Baptist Groups, we are discussing the various Baptist groups in the United States. I thought some of you might like some links to some of these groups.

Nothing there about denominations.

I'm the one being honest. The title of the thread says it all. No one on the thread challenged it.

 

[DHK]

I'm the one being honest. The title of the thread says it all. No one on the thread challenged it.

I just challenged it. Titles can be misleading. That is not the topic, as I just demonstrated to you.

 

[lori4dogs]

I just challenged it. Titles can be misleading. That is not the topic, as I just demonstrated to you.

Yeah, 103 posts later. Kinda late in the day for someone to try and dispute the obvious, even other Baptist realize they really belong to a denomination.

 

[lori4dogs]

BTW, DHK, we are not focusing on the OP. I recently commented on what I consider a fair assessment of the situation dealing with the Holy Father and haven't received any feedback. Got any??

 

[lori4dogs]

Thank you Lori for sharing your thoughts, I have had many such of the same experience here with all the self appointed absolute "correctness" displayed by many present. Mercy, peace and Love in abundance.

Bless your heart! Thank you

 

[DHK]

Yeah, 103 posts later. Kinda late in the day for someone to try and dispute the obvious, even other Baptist realize they really belong to a denomination.

I will comment on the OP in a minute. You need to check your facts. Almost all Baptists (and many others) know that Baptists are not denominational. That is a known fact, and it has been drilled into you time and again. Why do you keep avoiding this. One of the very basic distinctives of Baptists is that the local church is autonomous (not denominational), and that the congregational government makes its own decisions apart from any other church, hierarchy, or authority. That is the nature of a Baptist Church. There is no denomination. That is one of the characteristics that sets it apart from other churches. That is why you cannot compare Baptist Churches to a denomination such as the RCC. They are autonomous, not denominational.
And that is why, in that thread, they were "grouped" according to their similar characteristics. According to location and similar characteristics some of them associated loosely together in an "association," very different than a denomination.

 

[lori4dogs]

Wow, was someone trying to be 'misleading' when starting the thread 'Denominational Sites'? Baptists misleading Baptists? Under the same thread 'Denominational Sites' all I see is Baptist, not one RCC site.

The fact is that Baptists refer to SBC, CBC, GARBC, etc. as their denomination all the time. I KNOW, I was a Baptist and heard it a LOT. I understand church autonomy. Missouri Synod Lutheran Churches also have autonomy. They can pull out of their synod at any time. However, they are honest enough to admit that while they are part of the LCMS they are part of a denomination.

 

[lori4dogs]

Thanks. I think that some people here take themselves way too seriously. After reading your trials and travails here, the following oddity finally struck me:

1. Catholics are not allowed to join BaptistBoard.com

2. If a member where to convert from the Baptist faith to Catholicism, said member, under threat of having their membership revoked, would be required to change their profile to indicate that they are now Catholic.

3. Once that member indicates their status as Catholic, said member would be summarily banned because Catholics aren't allowed to join BaptistBoard.com

Peace!

Actually, only Roman Catholics are not allowed to join BB. Anglican Catholics and Orthodox Catholics apparently are tolerated (although that could change). I was 'grandfathered' in because I joined while still Anglican.