Is The Papacy Threatened?

[DHK]

You obviously haven't been in any of the Baptist churches I'm familiar with. DHK, you could visit my church next Sunday, walk down the aisle at the invitation, tell the pastor you are a baptized believer and you would be in.

I could be a landmark Baptist, a Seventh Day Baptist, a Reformed Baptist, an Arminian Baptist, a Primitive Baptist, a KJVO (there's lots of those), a Charismatic Baptist, etc.
Do you mean to say that the pastor isn't going to interview me at all as to what my doctrinal beliefs are before I am accepted as a member. I might not even be saved. Saying that I am, doesn't make me saved.

 

[quantumfaith]

So let me understand this correctly, should the name of this overall board be changed to "baptistLIKEMEboard.com". Whatever "billysunday" is should not matter so long as he claims the name and title Christian and shares his perspective in a respectful and reasonable manner. Our saviour, Jesus of Nazareth, being a jew, would he be welcome as a member of this board. I myself, have been welcomed on many other boards emphasizing other denominational positions. What is it that causes us fear? Intellectual and rational debate about spiritual and theological issues assist and enable us in the defense of our Christian faith. I say, debate "billysunday" in a reasonable and respectful manner, learn from him, grow with him and all will be better for the exchange of ideas.

 

[DHK]

I say, debate "billysunday" in a reasonable and respectful manner, learn from him, grow with him and all will be better for the exchange of ideas.

I don't have any problem with that--normally.
I do have a problem with dishonesty or deceit.
We ask for a person to be honest when they register.
We ask them to declare their denomination and church.
When one claims to be a Baptist and posts like a Catholic then something is wrong. They are not being truthful. It is not I or others that are being disrespectful; it is Billy. He is not being truthful with Baptist Board.

 

[Zenas]

I could be a landmark Baptist, a Seventh Day Baptist, a Reformed Baptist, an Arminian Baptist, a Primitive Baptist, a KJVO (there's lots of those), a Charismatic Baptist, etc.
Do you mean to say that the pastor isn't going to interview me at all as to what my doctrinal beliefs are before I am accepted as a member. I might not even be saved. Saying that I am, doesn't make me saved.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If you come from another church, we will write to that church for a letter. If you can't provide a letter, you can be admitted on your own statement. Regardless of your previous church affiliation, we will accept your baptism if it was believer's baptism by immersion. But I assure you there will be no questions about your doctrinal beliefs beyond perhaps the basic "Do you believe is Jesus Christ as your personal savior." There will certainly be no pastoral interview. In fact I never heard of such a thing until I joined the Baptist Board.

 

[lori4dogs]

Why would you join something that you disagreed with in the first place. What you are telling me is that you never were a Baptist to begin with, which makes sense with your so-called "conversion" to the Orthodox faith. No true Baptist would do that would they?
In all the Baptist Churches I have ever been one has had to agree to a (their) statement of faith in order to become a member. If you don't agree to the Baptist statement of faith, then you don't become a member. That is universally true of every faith, business, corporation, philosophy, etc.

You didn't agree with Baptist doctrine; you weren't a Baptist were you?
You were just a pretender.

I was a 'true Baptist'. Bought it all hook, line, and sinker. Always agreed with the 'pure' Baptistic doctrines, attended an SBC and SBC college and graduated magnu cum laude. Then began to follow the threads on this BB when Catholics were allowed to post. So a 'true Baptist' did do just what you said couldn't happen. Maybe your wrong about a lot more than just this.

 

[lori4dogs]

I don't have any problem with that--normally.
I do have a problem with dishonesty or deceit.
We ask for a person to be honest when they register.
We ask them to declare their denomination and church.
When one claims to be a Baptist and posts like a Catholic then something is wrong. They are not being truthful. It is not I or others that are being disrespectful; it is Billy. He is not being truthful with Baptist Board.

You accused me of deceit (lying) as well. You claimed I joined the board claiming to be Anglican and was actually a Catholic because I knew the content and postings that dated back to the time when you weren't hyper sensitive to Catholics defending their faith. I explained that I had long visited this board before realizing the errors of the Baptist faith and first became Anglican, joined the board and then made it all the way to the Roman Catholic Church.

You accused another poster of being deceitful because he was a Catholic and signed on as a Christian (horrors!) and decided he was trying to circumvent the ban on Catholics here. You did ban him.

You may be correct about 'BillySunday' but you might consider you were dead wrong about me and that might be wrong again.

 

[quantumfaith]

Has Billysunday been banned?

 

[DHK]

You accused me of deceit (lying) as well. You claimed I joined the board claiming to be Anglican and was actually a Catholic because I knew the content and postings that dated back to the time when you weren't hyper sensitive to Catholics defending their faith. I explained that I had long visited this board before realizing the errors of the Baptist faith and first became Anglican, joined the board and then made it all the way to the Roman Catholic Church.

When it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, then....
You posted like a Catholic; just like Billy is doing.
It really didn't matter what you put into your profile. You were posting like a Catholic defending Catholic doctrine. Yes, an explanation was required when someone posts like a Catholic and then suddenly denies that they are not a Catholic. That seems very odd to me.

You accused another poster of being deceitful because he was a Catholic and signed on as a Christian (horrors!) and decided he was trying to circumvent the ban on Catholics here. You did ban him.

Check the rules. "Christian" is neither a denomination nor a church name.
Deceit is not our policy. A person will be banned for deceitfulness. If a person cannot be honest they will be banned.

You may be correct about 'BillySunday' but you might consider you were dead wrong about me and that might be wrong again.

You have been honest enough to volunteer more personal information about yourself. Note, that it may be that I might agree more with the doctrinal stand of Billy (overall), than with you. But the administration will not tolerate one who pretends to be something or someone when they are not.

 

[steaver]

Do you mean to say that the pastor isn't going to interview me at all as to what my doctrinal beliefs are before I am accepted as a member.

My brother has just left an Independant Baptist Church after being a member for about ten years. He tells me that there are no questions asked of anyone who wants to be a member of this church. Outside of professing faith in Jesus Christ like Zenas said.

"Baptist" has become meaningless really, it's like "Christian". The KKK claims to be "Christian". Have you heard of the "Baptist" group who prey on funerals shouting hate?

There has been so many splits of Baptist that the term has lost it's meaning. It is defined in dozens of differing ways now.

What is said about the church my brother attended is that they are not known for their statements of faith and doctrine, my brother had no problem with these for they are biblically sound and traditional Baptist (there I go having to define what Baptist I am speaking of). His problem was that the preacher began to pound the pulpit regularly declaring the liberties we have in Christ to be sin. Such as dress, financial habits and worship music. Also the pastor had surounded himself with "yes men" and no longer has any buffeting force to balance himself.

The church I belong to puts those wishing to be a member through membership classes explaining our doctrinal beliefs and purpose. After this schooling which takes about six classes or six hours the board of elders then interviews the person or persons and they ask any questions they wish. Then the Elders have a meeting amongst themselves and decide yea or nay.

:jesus:

 

[lori4dogs]

When it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, then....
You posted like a Catholic; just like Billy is doing.
It really didn't matter what you put into your profile. You were posting like a Catholic defending Catholic doctrine. Yes, an explanation was required when someone posts like a Catholic and then suddenly denies that they are not a Catholic. That seems very odd to me.

Check the rules. "Christian" is neither a denomination nor a church name.
Deceit is not our policy. A person will be banned for deceitfulness. If a person cannot be honest they will be banned.

You have been honest enough to volunteer more personal information about yourself. Note, that it may be that I might agree more with the doctrinal stand of Billy (overall), than with you. But the administration will not tolerate one who pretends to be something or someone when they are not.

Kind of like when you deny being a Protestant. If it looks like a duck, quacks, etc. it be one!

The Anglican Church is a branch of Christ's Holy Catholic Church and when I joined the BB I was already a Catholic by virtue of that fact. Seems strange that Anglican and Orthodox Catholics can register yet Roman Catholics can not. Just saying.

 

[DHK]

My brother has just left an Independant Baptist Church after being a member for about ten years. He tells me that there are no questions asked of anyone who wants to be a member of this church. Outside of professing faith in Jesus Christ like Zenas said.

Many church congregations don't ask questions of prospective members. I know that. But they are at least interviewed by the pastor, if not the pastor and deacons, and then upon the recommendation of the pastor voted into the membership of the church.

 

[DHK]

Kind of like when you deny being a Protestant. If it looks like a duck, quacks, etc. it be one!

The Anglican Church is a branch of Christ's Holy Catholic Church and when I joined the BB I was already a Catholic by virtue of that fact. Seems strange that Anglican and Orthodox Catholics can register yet Roman Catholics can not. Just saying.

That is a simple matter of church history which you can deny if you wish.
Which one of the Reformers which "protested" against the RCC during the time of the Reformation was Baptist? Luther? Knox? Calvin? Which one? There weren't any. They did not come from the Reformation, and we all know that. You just don't want to admit it.

Secondly, we all know that the Anglican Church is not a part of the RCC. Check your church history. Some of the most bloody religious wars were fought between the Anglicans and Catholics in England. And you say they are the same?? Pitiful! Have you ever heard of Henry VIII?

 

[lori4dogs]

That is a simple matter of church history which you can deny if you wish.
Which one of the Reformers which "protested" against the RCC during the time of the Reformation was Baptist? Luther? Knox? Calvin? Which one? There weren't any. They did not come from the Reformation, and we all know that. You just don't want to admit it.

Secondly, we all know that the Anglican Church is not a part of the RCC. Check your church history. Some of the most bloody religious wars were fought between the Anglicans and Catholics in England. And you say they are the same?? Pitiful! Have you ever heard of Henry VIII?

No, I said the Anglican Church is a branch of Christ's Holy Catholic Church, not that it is Roman Catholic. The Orthodox Church is also a branch of Christ Holy Catholic Church but not part of the Church of Rome.

Ask Matt Black, Agnus Dei, Doubting Thomas.

Remember, you also insisted that no part of the Roman Catholic Church allows for married priests. I proved that you were wrong and that only the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church requires celibacy and that the Eastern Rite Churches allowed marriage. You never could get it through your head that the Eastern Rite Churches are part of the Church of Rome and not Eastern Orthodox. You just continued to deny that I was right.

 

[lori4dogs]

Here is a site that might challenge your position:

http://www.walsingham-church.org/wc/Welcome.html

 

[DHK]

No, I said the Anglican Church is a branch of Christ's Holy Catholic Church, not that it is Roman Catholic. The Orthodox Church is also a branch of Christ Holy Catholic Church but not part of the Church of Rome.

Ask Matt Black, Agnus Dei, Doubting Thomas.

Remember, you also insisted that no part of the Roman Catholic Church allows for married priests. I proved that you were wrong and that only the Latin Rite of the Roman Catholic Church requires celibacy and that the Eastern Rite Churches allowed marriage. You never could get it through your head that the Eastern Rite Churches are part of the Church of Rome and not Eastern Orthodox. You just continued to deny that I was right.

Not really interested Lori. This thread has gone way off topic. Fact is that once they were all one--RCC. They split off into three. Now they are coming all back into the one fold of the harlot church again.
I don't care to debate that here any longer.

And neither can you point to any of the Reformers as Baptists, can you?

 

[lori4dogs]

Not really interested Lori. This thread has gone way off topic. Fact is that once they were all one--RCC. They split off into three. Now they are coming all back into the one fold of the harlot church again.
I don't care to debate that here any longer.

And neither can you point to any of the Reformers as Baptists, can you?

Their names were Perry, Wroth and Ebury. These were called the Baptist Reformers, because they were of the Reformation.
I'm not the one that took this thread off-topic. This thread was off-topic long before this discussion began.

The fact is that being Catholic does not mean you have to be Roman Catholic, there are other flavors of Catholics.

 

[quantumfaith]

Not really interested Lori. This thread has gone way off topic. Fact is that once they were all one--RCC. They split off into three. Now they are coming all back into the one fold of the harlot church again.
I don't care to debate that here any longer.

And neither can you point to any of the Reformers as Baptists, can you?

I would request that you DHK quit hurling insults such as "harlot church", that is simply YOUR interpretive opinion, surely, such denegrations of other believers cannot be in keeping with the spirit of this board can it?

 

[BillySunday1935]

You are a deceiver.

You say you belong to the First Baptist Church in Dotham, Alabama.

Here is what they say:

http://www.fbcdothan.org/question.htm

Your claim to being a Baptist is false. The First Baptist Church at Dotham, Alabama does not believe what you believe. There is not one word of being baptism in their message of salvation, not even one.

Nor does it preclude it. Argumentum ex silentio!

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Nor does it preclude it. Argumentum ex silentio!

You give yourself away with the use of Latin. I was raised Catholic which is why I have an affinity for it. However, a person raised in the baptist church? I'll repeat what Pontius Pilate said "Ecce Homo". However, you could be a lawyer. In which case latin phrases would be understandable. Mea Culpa.

 

[BillySunday1935]

You give yourself away with the use of Latin. I was raised Catholic which is why I have an affinity for it. However, a person raised in the baptist church? I\'ll repeat what Pontius Pilate said \"Ecce Homo\". However, you could be a lawyer. In which case latin phrases would be understandable. Mea Culpa.

What? You didnt learn Latin in High School? It used to be a required langauge course at Dothan High! Come on...