Is The Papacy Threatened?

[Alive in Christ]

BillySunday...

"No Baptist Church would - none - not one in the entire world? That's a broad statement there, DHK."

A professing Mormon, Islam or Hindu???

Of course we wouldnt. Neither would your chuch, unless they are EXCEEDINGLY liberal.

A hindu, mormon or Islam would certainly be welcome to come and visit and listen to the preaching/teaching.

But to be accepted into the fellowhip? Of course not.

 

[BillySunday1935]

There is a section for Baptists and a section for non-Baptists.
It would be good for you to stay down here in the non-Baptist section until you can verify to us that you are a Baptist.

We don’t have an Baptist ID card or anything. What if I recite the Baptist creed for you - will that help?

Opinions are not the same as dogma or doctrine.
One can have an opinion about who the two witnesses will be in Revelation chapter eleven. That has not been clearly revealed for us.
There is no opinion allowed concerning who Christ is--the second person of the triune Godhead, deity, fully God and fully man.

Agreed!

There is no opinion about salvation: faith alone in Christ alone. If you have a different belief, a different doctrine than that then your doctrine is not Baptist. You would not be allowed to post in Baptist forums.

Based upon what I’ve seen here, I have no desire to post in the Baptist forums.

Please explain why your doctrine differs from Baptist doctrine, even the doctrine of the church that you claim to be a member.

Ok - give me a list of all Baptist doctrines and I’ll be glad to explain the ones to which I take exception. However, there are various differences out there amongst Baptists, so that might be a little difficult. For instance, some believe in eternal security (SB’s) and others believe that one can lose ones salvation (Free Will Baptists).

This is not just a matter of opinion. This is essential doctrine concerning the salvation of a soul, thus very vital doctrine.

Well, if you are referring to the state of my soul, well - I feel pretty good about that.

Thanks!

 

[BillySunday1935]

BillySunday...

No Baptist Church would - none - not one in the entire world? That\\\' a broad statement there, DHK\\\"

A professing Mormon, Islam or Hindu???

Of course we wouldnt. Neither would your chuch, unless they are EXCEEDINGLY liberal.

A liberal Baptist Church here in South Alabama? Nope! However, there probably exists some liberal Baptist Churches – California or Europe…

A hindu, mormon or Islam would certainly be welcome to come and visit and listen to the preaching/teaching. But to be accepted into the fellowhip? Of course not.

Does your church have a closed communion?

Peace!

 

[DHK]

There is a section for Baptists and a section for non-Baptists.
It would be good for you to stay down here in the non-Baptist section until you can verify to us that you are a Baptist.

We don’t have an Baptist ID card or anything. What if I recite the Baptist creed for you - will that help?

Baptists are not usually creedal people. However if you follow the links in your own church website you would come to the SBC statement of faith: (basic beliefs)
http://sbc.net/aboutus/basicbeliefs.asp

You could even look at the statement of faith of the board in which you are posting:
http://www.baptistboard.com/sof.html

Please explain why your doctrine differs from Baptist doctrine, even the doctrine of the church that you claim to be a member.

Ok - give me a list of all Baptist doctrines and I’ll be glad to explain the ones to which I take exception. However, there are various differences out there amongst Baptists, so that might be a little difficult. For instance, some believe in eternal security (SB’s) and others believe that one can lose ones salvation (Free Will Baptists).

I have posted these two links above:
http://www.baptistboard.com/sof.html

http://sbc.net/aboutus/basicbeliefs.asp

There may be some small differences between the two, but it would be minor. I would encourage you to go through them.

This is not just a matter of opinion. This is essential doctrine concerning the salvation of a soul, thus very vital doctrine.

Well, if you are referring to the state of my soul, well - I feel pretty good about that.

Thanks!

Salvation is more than just a feeling. Make sure of it.

 

[BillySunday1935]

There may be some small differences between the two, but it would be minor. I would encourage you to go through them.

Salvation is more than just a feeling. Make sure of it.

Are you sure of your salvation, DHK?

 

[Alive in Christ]

BillySunday...

Does your church have a closed communion?

Yes, we do. We always make clear when we have communion that this is only for born again christians. Any visitors who are not christians are asked to not participate.

As for the christians, we dont require they be on our roll, or that they be Baptists.

But they must be regenerated christians.

 

[BillySunday1935]

BillySunday...



Yes, we do. We always make clear when we have communion that this is only for born again christians. Any visitors who are not christians are asked to not participate.

As for the christians, we dont require they be on our roll, or that they be Baptists.

But they must be regenerated christians.

How does your church inforce said policy? By that I mean, how do you know if they are regenerated christians?

 

[Alive in Christ]

BillySunday...

"How does your church inforce said policy?

We dont. We state our policy, and leave it at that.

"By that I mean, how do you know if they are regenerated christians?"

We just take their word for it. We dont have them come up front, we just pass the communion pieces around.

We have never had any problems or issues at all. If some lost person wants to pretend they are saved, and partake of communion, well, they can partake.

We've done all we can do. Its between them and God at that point. I dont understand why you are concerned about it. Do you think they are going to get zapped by a bolt of lightning or something if they partake???

 

[Agnus_Dei]

Well, yes and no.
Baptists are Bible-believers. We believe the Bible as our final authority in all things in faith and practice. Our beliefs are the Bible. What the Bible teaches, that we believe. Thus in essence, Peter was a Baptist, for Baptists would believe the same as Peter.

So DHK, which "Baptist" "sub-denomination" (or whatever term you choose) was St. Peter...was he: American Baptist, General Baptist, Free Will Baptist, oh...how 'bout Reformed Baptist (that has a nice authentic ring to it)...

In XC
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[Agnus_Dei]

BillySunday...



We dont. We state our policy, and leave it at that.



We just take their word for it. We dont have them come up front, we just pass the communion pieces around.

We have never had any problems or issues at all. If some lost person wants to pretend they are saved, and partake of communion, well, they can partake.

We've done all we can do. Its between them and God at that point. I dont understand why you are concerned about it. Do you think they are going to get zapped by a bolt of lightning or something if they partake???

Then why even have a "closed communion" table if you can't enforce it?

In my Orthodox Church I attend...if our Priest doesn't recognize you, you don't get the elements...

In XC
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[matt wade]

Yes, we do. We always make clear when we have communion that this is only for born again christians. Any visitors who are not christians are asked to not participate.

As for the christians, we dont require they be on our roll, or that they be Baptists.

But they must be regenerated christians.

As a side note to this conversation, this is not closed communion. Closed communion is one which is only given to local church members.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Matt Wade...

"As a side note to this conversation, this is not closed communion. Closed communion is one which is only given to local church members."

Thanks. Got my terminology mixed up I guess.

We DO however state that it is only for born again believers.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Agnus Dei...

"Then why even have a "closed communion" table if you can't enforce it?"

Because we take people at their word. We have been doing it this way for years with no issues at all. Unsaved people regularly pass it to the next person rather then partake, just as we ask them to do.

In my Orthodox Church I attend...if our Priest doesn't recognize you, you don't get the elements...

Thats fine.

We dont do it that way. :wavey:

 

[DHK]

Are you sure of your salvation, DHK?

Billy, I know that if I should die tonight I would go straight to heaven. I know that as surely as if I was already there.

 

[DHK]

So DHK, which "Baptist" "sub-denomination" (or whatever term you choose) was St. Peter...was he: American Baptist, General Baptist, Free Will Baptist, oh...how 'bout Reformed Baptist (that has a nice authentic ring to it)...

In XC
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I live in Canada Agnus, where there are not so many Baptists as you might think. Furthermore, I am IFB, as you do know. I am IFB because I believe they are closer to the truth than any of the others. If I didn't believe that I would join one of the others. There are no denominations in the Bible. I could give you an entire Bible study on this but I know you are not interested and just want to be contentious.

And if that is true:
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

 

[Alive in Christ]

In response to this, from Billy Sunday...

Are you sure of your salvation, DHK?

DHK posted...

"Billy, I know that if I should die tonight I would go straight to heaven. I know that as surely as if I was already there."

I feel exactly the same way. Heaven is my sure and eternal destination. It is a 100% gurantee. Why?

Because salvation is ALL OF GOD, and NONE of *me*...other than faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. To add ANYTHING to faith, makes it a false gospel.

Praise God.

 

[DHK]

Then why even have a "closed communion" table if you can't enforce it?

In my Orthodox Church I attend...if our Priest doesn't recognize you, you don't get the elements...

In XC
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I know you are Orthodox, but in my experience the RCC can't enforce their communion at all.
There is a long line up to receive the host. The priest doesn't know everyone. Whoever is there receives the host--pedophile, murderer, alike. Or Hindu, Muslim, etc. How is the priest going to know. In most city churches here, the Catholic churches are large and the "membership" (if that is what it is called) is transient.

In a church that practices true "closed communion," only the members of that particular church would receive communion. And the leadership (especially the pastor) knows who the members are.

 

[Alive in Christ]

DHK posted...

"I know you are Orthodox, but in my experience the RCC can't enforce their communion at all.

There is a long line up to receive the host. The priest doesn't know everyone. Whoever is there receives the host--pedophile, murderer, alike. Or Hindu, Muslim, etc. How is the priest going to know. In most city churches here, the Catholic churches are large and the "membership" (if that is what it is called) is transient.

That was my experience as well as a Catholic before becoming a christian.

 

[BillySunday1935]

That was my experience as well as a Catholic before becoming a christian.

I need clarification here. Are you saying that you were not a christian while in the Catholic Church? Is it your contention that Catholics aren't christians or were you just speaking from your own personal experience? No disrepect intended.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

I need clarification here. Are you saying that you were not a christian while in the Catholic Church? Is it your contention that Catholics aren't christians or were you just speaking from your own personal experience? No disrepect intended.

I think this is the defining difference. How is a Catholic a Christian? According to the Catholic Church this is based on being baptised using the trinitarian formula no matter the disposition of the person. By the Baptist view a person is a Christian based on the life changing occurance of being born again or from above. In one instance one is considered a christian much the same way as a person is considered an american citizen by ceremony and oath taking. In the other instance one is a convert and has surrendered entirely to God with faith in operation. In the first instance, one is a christian by ceremony and oath and faith is given over time through catachesis. In the second instance on has obtained faith and is a Christian by innate nature and equiped by the Holy Spirit. In the first instance its no different than secular citizenship in the second instance its a whole new person totally converted (and bought into Jesus) and displays a new nature.