Justification from everlasting !

[savedbymercy]

dw

1. We were NEVER unjustified from our birth until our death thus NEVER under condemnation because we were justifed in Christ before the world began.

The elect were never unjustified because their sins were never imputed to their charge. They were imputed to Christ charge when He became their Surety in the Everlasting Covenant, which was from Everlasting.

The elect were given grace in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

They were given this Justifying grace in their Surety before they sinned in Adam and became sinful. Yes they were at one time unregenerated by nature, but never condemned or not Justified.

Even when they enemies [ unregenerated], unbelievers they were still already reconciled to God by Christ death Rom 5:10


10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Yes, even while unregenerated and dead in trespasses and sins, enemies in our minds by wicked works, the elect were objectively reconciled, Justified, and sanctified by Christ death. They were never, not ever objectively condemned for their sins or not Justified by Christ death for them. Christ was slain in the Purpose of God from the foundation, even before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

 

[Dr. Walter]

dw



The elect were never unjustified because their sins were never imputed to their charge. They were imputed to Christ charge when He became their Surety in the Everlasting Covenant, which was from Everlasting.

The elect were given grace in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

They were given this Justifying grace in their Surety before they sinned in Adam and became sinful. Yes they were at one time unregenerated by nature, but never condemned or not Justified.

Even when they enemies [ unregenerated], unbelievers they were still already reconciled to God by Christ death Rom 5:10


10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Yes, even while unregenerated and dead in trespasses and sins, enemies in our minds by wicked works, the elect were objectively reconciled, Justified, and sanctified by Christ death. They were never, not ever objectively condemned for their sins or not Justified by Christ death for them. Christ was slain in the Purpose of God from the foundation, even before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Ok, then EQUALLY apply what you just said to glorified and called as they too were in the VERY SAME PLAN in Christ before the world began!

You have given us your interpretation of justified now apply your interpretation EQUALLY to glorfied and called!!!! Apply it equally in regard to TIME as you applied justified to TIME.

There is nothing wrong with the scriptures you give! It is your interpretation of those scriptures HOW YOU APPLY THEM to time that is wrong.

 

[Dr. Walter]

dw



The elect were never unjustified because their sins were never imputed to their charge. They were imputed to Christ charge when He became their Surety in the Everlasting Covenant, which was from Everlasting.

The elect were given grace in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

They were given this Justifying grace in their Surety before they sinned in Adam and became sinful. Yes they were at one time unregenerated by nature, but never condemned or not Justified.

Even when they enemies [ unregenerated], unbelievers they were still already reconciled to God by Christ death Rom 5:10


10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Yes, even while unregenerated and dead in trespasses and sins, enemies in our minds by wicked works, the elect were objectively reconciled, Justified, and sanctified by Christ death. They were never, not ever objectively condemned for their sins or not Justified by Christ death for them. Christ was slain in the Purpose of God from the foundation, even before the foundation 1 Pet 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

I don't disagree with any of these scriptures. I believe we were justified "in Christ" before the world began and that is what these scriptures clearly teach.

What I disagree is HOW YOU APPLY these scriptures. You make justification ACTUAL and APPLIED to the elect in eternity so that in TIME it is actual and applied from the birth of the elect so that they come into this world JUSTIFIED AT BIRTH!

The flaw of YOUR APPLICATION is that you are not consistent with other aspects also found in God's purpose for the elect. If you were consistent you would make glorification ACTUAL and APPLEID to the elect in eternity so that in TIME that application and actuality would also be from the birth of the elect so that they come into this world GLORIFIED AT BIRTH.

Hence, YOUR APPLICATION IS WRONG because the elect do not come into this world at birth GLORIFIED or CALLED and therefore they do not come into this world JUSTIFIED except in your imagination.

 

[Dr. Walter]

I don't disagree with any of these scriptures. I believe we were justified "in Christ" before the world began and that is what these scriptures clearly teach.

What I disagree is HOW YOU APPLY these scriptures. You make justification ACTUAL and APPLIED to the elect in eternity so that in TIME it is actual and applied from the birth of the elect so that they come into this world JUSTIFIED AT BIRTH!

The flaw of YOUR APPLICATION is that you are not consistent with other aspects also found in God's purpose for the elect. If you were consistent you would make glorification ACTUAL and APPLEID to the elect in eternity so that in TIME that application and actuality would also be from the birth of the elect so that they come into this world GLORIFIED AT BIRTH.

Hence, YOUR APPLICATION IS WRONG because the elect do not come into this world at birth GLORIFIED or CALLED and therefore they do not come into this world JUSTIFIED except in your imagination.

To say that as far as God is concerned they ARE glorified, called and justified does not mean they are AT BIRTH already glorified or regenerated or justified.

To say that as far as God is concerned they ARE glorified, called and justified does not mean God's purpose is already APPLIED to their individual persons.

To say that as far as God is concerned they ARE glorified, called and justified does not mean God's purpose is already FULFILLED in regard to their persons.

To say that as far as God is concerned they ARE glorified, called and justified in ETERNITY past does not mean there is no need for God to usher in time or create them, allow the fall, allow them to be born as sinners - not glorified in person, born not regenerated/called, not justified/under sin's condemnation.

You don't like the last statement above but you cannot refute the VERY SAME statement that denies them being glorified at birth and called at birth and therefore you cannot refute the statement that denies them being justified at birth.

 

[savedbymercy]

It is God that Justifieth the Elect !

Rom 8:33,34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

If we are Elect, we are Justified. Its no such thing as being God's Elect and not Justified by Him. Now I dare not hold back the idea that at the same date God considered us His Elect, its the same date He Justified us, and is the same date the challenge goes forth " Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's Elect" Shall God who chose them and Justified them lay anything to their charge ? Shall God who Loved them with an everlasting Love lay any charge to them ? I say No ! How long have they been God's Elect ? It was before they were born according to the principle set forth in Romans 9:11

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Who is He that condemneth the Elect ? vs 34

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This question refers to the Elect in the previous verse ! When did God ever condemn His Elect ? If He did, then He must have layed a charge or charges against them, which is contrary to the thoughts of vs 33

Who condemneth, because it is Christ that died ! Meaning He was condemned to die for them. If Christ was condemned to die for them, then who condemned Christ ? It was God. God charged Christ with their condemnation that they incurred here Rom 5:18

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now God either charged the All Men with condemnation or He charge their condemnation to Christ to die for, which one ? it cannot be both.

And when did God Purpose not to Charge the Elect and to Charge Christ ? Whenever that date was, thats how long the elect have been Justified. For it is God that Justifieth !

 

[Dr. Walter]

It is God that Justifieth the Elect !

Rom 8:33,34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

If we are Elect, we are Justified. Its no such thing as being God's Elect and not Justified by Him. Now I dare not hold back the idea that at the same date God considered us His Elect, its the same date He Justified us, and is the same date the challenge goes forth " Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's Elect" Shall God who chose them and Justified them lay anything to their charge ? Shall God who Loved them with an everlasting Love lay any charge to them ? I say No ! How long have they been God's Elect ? It was before they were born according to the principle set forth in Romans 9:11

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Who is He that condemneth the Elect ? vs 34

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

This question refers to the Elect in the previous verse ! When did God ever condemn His Elect ? If He did, then He must have layed a charge or charges against them, which is contrary to the thoughts of vs 33

Who condemneth, because it is Christ that died ! Meaning He was condemned to die for them. If Christ was condemned to die for them, then who condemned Christ ? It was God. God charged Christ with their condemnation that they incurred here Rom 5:18

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Now God either charged the All Men with condemnation or He charge their condemnation to Christ to die for, which one ? it cannot be both.

And when did God Purpose not to Charge the Elect and to Charge Christ ? Whenever that date was, thats how long the elect have been Justified. For it is God that Justifieth !

Yes, and we were "justfied by faith" when we believed in the gospel not before we believed in the Gospel just as we will be glorified after at our resurrection not before our resurrection just as we were regenerated after our physical birth not before our physical birth.

 

[savedbymercy]

Paul teaches Eternal Justification right here !

Rom 8:28-30

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

All the aorist tense verbs foreknow,predestinate, called, Justified, and glorified, all these are things God did in timeless Eternity before the world began.

Paul here is not enumerating events that transpired in time, but events of God in His Eternal Purpose and Decree. They are all done as far as God is concerned, even though we, the elect in Christ do not come to experience them until time. So the elect, according to God's Eternal Purpose of Grace are already foreknown, predestined, called or named as His Children], Justified and Glorified.

 

[Dr. Walter]

Paul teaches Eternal Justification right here !

Rom 8:28-30

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

All the aorist tense verbs foreknow,predestinate, called, Justified, and glorified, all these are things God did in timeless Eternity before the world began.

Paul here is not enumerating events that transpired in time, but events of God in His Eternal Purpose and Decree. They are all done as far as God is concerned, even though we, the elect in Christ do not come to experience them until time. So the elect, according to God's Eternal Purpose of Grace are already foreknown, predestined, called or named as His Children], Justified and Glorified.

Hence, NOT ACTUAL in fulfillment only HAVING BEEN PURPOSED TO BE FULFILLED ACTUALLY!

 

[savedbymercy]

Rom 8:29-30

The scripture teaches Eternal Justification in Rom 8:29-30


29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Paul in these verses is not speaking so much as to what has or will transpire in time, but what has been accomplished and is a done deal in the Eternal Purpose of God. These things are done in His Purpose before the world began, and before we come to experience them in time.

The Prophecy of Isa 53 of the suffering servant proves the basis of Eternal Justification, by placing all the events of His suffering in the past tense, not the futre tense, because Isiah's Prophecy was declaring the decree of God.

Yes, I know that the events would have an accomplishment in time, but that would only be the manifestation of what was a done deal from the standpoint of God's Eternal Purpose ! Ecclesiastes 3:15

15That which hath been[In God's Eternal Purpose] is now; and that which is to be hath already been[In God's Eternal Purpose]; and God requireth that which is past.

 

[savedbymercy]

More on Eternal Justification !

Before the world began God saved and called [named] His Elect with a calling of Grace given them in Christ from Eternity, 2 Tim 1:9-10


9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Now the word called in both 2 Tim 1:9 and Rom 8:30 are speaking about a calling or a naming that took place before the world began. It is the greek word kaleō and means:


to call i.e. to name, by name

a) to give a name to

1) to receive the name of, receive as a name

2) to give some name to one, call his name

b) to be called i.e. to bear a name or title (among men)

c) to salute one by name

They were named or called the Children of God by their Union with and being Placed in the Son of God. The Children of God Heb 2:13-14

13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

They were named or called Children before partaking of flesh and blood in Adam !

Yes, before the world began, before the foundations thereof were laid, God named all His Chosen the Children of God, even at that date they were sanctified or set apart from all others who would populate the world Jude 1:1

1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

And so being called or named as Children in the Eternal decree of Election in Christ, they were Justified then in God's Eternal decree, or named in the Everlasting Covenant for their Surety of the Covenant.

 

[savedbymercy]

More on Eternal Justification !

Now all who were named or called, at the same time, by the same Divine Purpose and Decree, Justified by the Grace of God, given them in Christ Jesus 2 Tim 1:9, through the redemption of Christ Blood, as the Lamb slain from or before the foundation of the world.

Rom 3:24

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rev 13:8

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The trespass they would commit in time, first in Adam their head, and their personal sins when after they are born sinners, they were never laid to their Charge legally, and because of non imputation they were already forgiven of all sin, for David writes of that Ps 32:1-2

1Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. See Rom 4:7-8 also !

They also were declared Righteous by Imputation of Christ Righteousness, that He would faithfully work out in Time. All this was accomplished before one speck of dust was created to this world !

 

[savedbymercy]

In God's Eternal Purpose, the Elect were predestinated to be conformed to the Image of His Son Rom 8:29

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

So this Fact tells us that God already reckoned them as Sons, so they were Justified in His Eternal Decree, He viewed them in Christ, His Only Begotten Son. This means consequently, all their sins were forgiven before they were committed, the curse withdrawn before it was incurred, God's Justice completely satisfied before the Law was broken, they were Justified in Christ before they sinned in Adam, accepted or Highly Favored in the Beloved before they were made sinners. The Redemption of the Elect was done, accomplished, when the Father accepted Christ as their Surety, and had respect unto His sacrifice, as the Lamb slain from the foundation ! Rev 13:8

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[savedbymercy]

One would have to be blind completely not to see that scriptures indicates that Justification of God's Elect by God's Grace is an Eternal Act. This Truth is plainly an Apostles Doctrine and not something just read into scripture. In Both 2 Tim 1:9 and Rom 8:30 Paul is showing the Eternal Purpose of God, by which all things work according to Eph 1:11. He[Paul] is declaring the Decree of God, and in God's decree, all of the Elect were Saved, Justified, and Glorified from Everlasting in Christ.

 

[savedbymercy]

Accepted in the Beloved, When ?

Paul who taught the Eternal Justification of all who are True Believers in Christ, who come to believe in Him in time, that they were accepted in the beloved before the foundation of the world, in accordance with having been Chosen in Him at that date Eph 1:3-6

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

The verb accepted is the greek word charitoō and means:


to make graceful

a) charming, lovely, agreeable

2) to peruse with grace, compass with favour

3) to honour with blessings

This has to do with the gracious and favorable acceptance of the Chosen Ones of their Persons in the Beloved, which is Christ. Now when was this ? Why its when He chose them in Him before the foundation of the World. Remember this acceptance is according to and to the Praise of the Glory of His Grace to them. When was this Grace given to them ? 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began.

As such, God considered them Righteous, if Righteous, then Justified. This is what is meant by being Justified by His Grace.

Rom 3:24

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

This Justification by Grace here had nothing to do with being done in time, yes it was through or on the grounds of the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus, meaning His Death, but, God reckoned that as a done deal in His Eternal Purpose and so He was the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

No, the cross had not occurred yet in the temporal, but it did in the Eternal, because God's realization of things are always present to Him and Eternal.

 

[Dr. Walter]

What you are reading here is abuse of God's Word and something God's Word does not teach.

The absolutely foolishness of this interpretation can be seen in someone saying that my blueprint of my house IS ACTUALLY MY HOUSE before the builder ACTUALLY builds his house!

What SBG ignores is that God's purpose to create the elect, redeem, justify and glorify the elect is INSEPARABLE from God's Purposed TIME and PLACE and MEANS to do all these things!

SBG is incapable of intellectually discerning between plan and fulfillment of that plan as well as the equally purposed TIME and PLACE and MEANS that accompany that purpose before the world began.

His silly MISinterpretations of scripture confuse purpose with fulfillment and what is done in eternity versus what is done in time according to God's purpose in eternity!

For example, we were GLORIFIED according to God's Eternal purpose equally as much as we were JUSTIFIED according to God's eternal Purpose. However, common sense tells you that there is a difference between PURPOSE and FULFILLMENT or carrying out of that Purpose. Common sense tells you that every purpose also has a purposed time for its fulfillment! We have not actually and really been glorified.

In Ephesians 2:5 we are presently "seated in heavenly places IN CHRIST"! Does that mean we are actually and realistically no longer upon earth but in heaven "in Christ"????????? Or is Paul simply speaking about our POSITION in regard to REPRESENTATION! Well, we were "in Christ" before the foundation of the world but that does not mean we were ACTUALLY and REALISTICALLY present "in Christ" before the world began? We were only "in Christ" before the world began according to DESIGN/PURPOSE/PLAN!

No one is responding to this nonsense because it is obvious to all that SBG cannot intellectually discern between PURPOSE and FULFILLMENT of purpose or between POSITION versus REALITY!

It is obvious that SBG ignores that whatever God has PURPOSED in eternity He also has EQUALLY Purposed the TIME and PLACE and MEANS to bring His Purpose into real existence. SBG conveniently ignores that aspect of God's eternal Purpose.

Accepted in the Beloved, When ?

Paul who taught the Eternal Justification of all who are True Believers in Christ, who come to believe in Him in time, that they were accepted in the beloved before the foundation of the world, in accordance with having been Chosen in Him at that date Eph 1:3-6

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

The verb accepted is the greek word charitoō and means:


to make graceful

a) charming, lovely, agreeable

2) to peruse with grace, compass with favour

3) to honour with blessings

This has to do with the gracious and favorable acceptance of the Chosen Ones of their Persons in the Beloved, which is Christ. Now when was this ? Why its when He chose them in Him before the foundation of the World. Remember this acceptance is according to and to the Praise of the Glory of His Grace to them. When was this Grace given to them ? 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

It was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began.

As such, God considered them Righteous, if Righteous, then Justified. This is what is meant by being Justified by His Grace.

Rom 3:24

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

This Justification by Grace here had nothing to do with being done in time, yes it was through or on the grounds of the Redemption that is in Christ Jesus, meaning His Death, but, God reckoned that as a done deal in His Eternal Purpose and so He was the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8

8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

No, the cross had not occurred yet in the temporal, but it did in the Eternal, because God's realization of things are always present to Him and Eternal.

 

[savedbymercy]

dw

What you are reading here is abuse of God's Word and something God's Word does not teach.

Point out what in the post God's word does not teach !

 

[savedbymercy]

dw

It is obvious that SBG ignores that whatever God has PURPOSED in eternity He also has EQUALLY Purposed the TIME and PLACE and MEANS to bring His Purpose into real existence.

Are you saying that things do not have a real existence to God before they do to His creatures ?

Are you subjecting the Mind of the Eternal Being to that of a temporal creature, whose being is subject to time ? If you are thats dishonoring God..

 

[Dr. Walter]

dw



Are you saying that things do not have a real existence to God before they do to His creatures ?

Are you subjecting the Mind of the Eternal Being to that of a temporal creature, whose being is subject to time ? If you are thats dishonoring God..

You have a very warped idea of God and His purpose. Look at your first question! It is not a question if God's purpose has a "real existence to God before they do to his creatures" it is rather a question if God's purpose has real existence before God fulfills His purpose because if God does not first fulfil his purpose THERE ARE NO CREATURES for His purpose to be real unto!

Look at your second very warped question! You are the one subjecting the mind of God to pure foolishness and thus dishonoring God. There are no creatures for his Mind to be subjected unto UNTIL He turns His Purpose into FULFILLMENT and they have a created existence!

You are spouting off the foolishness that creation has concrete existence and reality before it is created and thus making the act of creation a foolish and unnecessary act of God. You are making the foolish idea that the elect are glorified before they are given created existent bodies to be glorified.

This is pure foolishness from the pits of hell and from the mind of Satan!

Let me ask you a question if you dare answer it with honesty! Ephesians 2:5 uses the present tense and says that the elect are now "seated in heavenly places IN Christ." Do you believe you, in your present existence are realistically and in reality actually already in heaven? Are the angels looking upon you in heaven right now in their midst? Does God the Father converse with you right now in heaven as you are "seated" in Christ and He sits at the right hand of God now! Are you actually and realistically present in heaven now? Or are you only in heaven POSITIONALLY and REPRESENTATIVELY by Christ?

 

[savedbymercy]

dw

It is not a question if God's purpose has a "real existence to God before they do to his creatures"

Yes it is a question. Does God need time and the succession of it to realize His Eternal Purpose as His creatures do ?

When I say realize, I mean:

to make real; give reality to

A simple Yes or No, then you may add your explanation. But first, Yes or No..

 

[Dr. Walter]

dw



Yes it is a question. Does God need time and the succession of it to realize His Eternal Purpose as His creatures do ?

When I say realize, I mean:

to make real; give reality to

A simple Yes or No, then you may add your explanation. But first, Yes or No..

Your rationale is so irrational that it would be stupid to respond to it! God purposed to create before he actually and literally and realisticallycreated anything but His purpose did not accomplish anything as a reality until he spoke it into existence!

Again, Ephesians 2:5 says that the elect are already "seated in heavenly places IN CHRIST" - so are you literally and actually and realistically already in heaven rather than on earth right now?????? You answer this question and you will have answered your own question.