Silverhair you keep speaking from your made up philosophy and reject the predestination of God. You realize that you lift up yourself and tear down God with your philosophy, yet you don't care. Instead you hate God for his sovereign authority over all his creation. You have to answer to God for your denial of his full authority over all his creation.
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Limited Atonement: God's Power to Save
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The Calvinist view of Christ not laying down His life as a ransom for all is obviously false doctrine.
Christ became the means of salvation for the whole of humanity, 1 John 2:2.
He bought those heading for swift destruction, as well as those to be saved, 1 Peter 2:1.
Since God desires all people to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4
Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all. 1 Timothy 2:6
God redemption plan provides the opportunity to be saved to everyone exposed to the gospel of Christ. John 3:16
Christ became the means of salvation for the whole of humanity, 1 John 2:2.
He bought those heading for swift destruction, as well as those to be saved, 1 Peter 2:1.
Since God desires all people to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4
Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all. 1 Timothy 2:6
God redemption plan provides the opportunity to be saved to everyone exposed to the gospel of Christ. John 3:16
There can be no such thing as limited atonement God is not limited He is all powerful. Man is powerless to limit an almighty God.
MB
Christ died for the ungodly who are now justified Rom5:1.
Start at verse one and pay more attention when it says we/us....
Then it will not remain a mystery to you.
Indeed, you and others use the word "sovereign" and deny its power. Thus, like the golden calf, you (plural) pervert the nature of God and make God less than who he is. You (plural) refuse the full authority of God as you demand your autonomy.
Let's look at 2 Peter so you can see your error.
2 Peter 1:1,3-8,10-11
Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love. For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they keep you from being ineffective or unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall. For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 2:1-3
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Van, please end your false words.
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MB believes in limited atonement. He just has man doing the limiting rather than God. Man becomes the autonomous agent who thwarts God's already paid atonement by denying it's payment.
It's like having your meal paid for by another person and then demanding that you pay for it yourself (even though it's been paid for). Then imagining that the restaurant owner isn't satisfied with the first payment because the person who won't accept that the bill has been paid demands he pay for it himself and the original payment should be voided. But...the bill has been paid.
It's such a convoluted thought process used by MB and his pals who claim universalism and then deny it. Ultimately, it is a philosophy that reduces God's sovereignty and lifts up man as an autonomous being that God cannot have full authority over.
What a waste of electrons, with lots of charges, all false, and scads of non-germane scripture.
The Calvinist view of Christ not laying down His life as a ransom for all is obviously false doctrine.
Christ became the means of salvation for the whole of humanity, 1 John 2:2.
He bought those heading for swift destruction, as well as those to be saved, 1 Peter 2:1.
Since God desires all people to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4
Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all. 1 Timothy 2:6
God redemption plan provides the opportunity to be saved to everyone exposed to the gospel of Christ. John 3:16
Brightfame52
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van
Nowhere in scripture does it say redemption provides the opportunity to be saved !
Nowhere in scripture does it say redemption provides the opportunity to be saved !
Indeed, as scriptures stated that it is a sure and firm salvation!
Silverhair
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Redemption: The action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil.
It does not provide the opportunity, it is salvation.
I disagree with you c completely. I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about. God cannot be all powerful and be limited at the same time.
MB
Redemption is being saved.
MB
Actually it is Calvinist who try to limit God/ what you say here is false.
MB
You are the one with the false philosophy. In fact Calvinist and Jehovah's witnesses are brother.s so much alike twisting the scriptures.
MB
Who said anything about God Himself being limited?
God is omnipotent.
He does all He pleases to do....psalm115.
It pleased Him to die A Covenant Death for those Jews and Gentiles He is going to save.
He is not willing that any of them perish.Everyone of them will be savingly drawn to Jesus.
I know you do not see the actual finished redemption yet, but today is still young.Where there is life there is hope.
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Again we have provided context to each of the verses you take out of context.
What is true is that God limits the atonement to whom He has chosen.
Van, you limit God's atonement as well. It's just that you make humans more powerful than God in that they can supposedly nullify God's atonement. You hold a man-centered means of salvation and damnation.
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