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Lordship Salvation volume 2

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2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.



2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.




2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

2 Peter 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.




Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.


Isaiah 49:25 But thus saith the LORD, Even the captives of the mighty shall be taken away, and the prey of the terrible shall be delivered: for I will contend with him that contendeth with thee, and I will save thy children.

26 And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.



Isaiah 60:16 Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.




Hosea 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.





God isn't going to be Lord of your life without Him also being your Saviour, and vice versa. God is the LORD of my life.
 
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The point I am trying to get across is this: Heaven didn't send the best it had to offer, so that we could give just a part of us to God. God wants all of us or none at all.

Jesus marvelled at the widow woman who gave just two puny mites. However, those two mites were all that she had. Others had put money in the treasury, but they gave only a portion of what they had, and Jesus marvelled that the widow gave all that she had. That is what God demands from us, too.....all that we have,
 
John of Japan

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Greektim said:
Hey John of Japan, you must have missed my post to you about Acts 10:36. Would you care to comment on its (what seems to me) clear implications for the LS concept in Acts?
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I'm currently in the UP of MI after travelling all day yesterday. Man has this thread advanced since I last posted. Serves me right for trying to debate while on the road.

At any rate, I have no trouble at all in my view with Acts 10:36. (Sorry, but I haven't yet found your post on it. This thead is too long!) I have often preached in a salvation message that Christ is Lord of all. The question is, what is the purpose of Peter's statement? I see it in context as Peter praising God in His sovereignty for allowing the Gospel to go to the Gentiles, not as Peter preaching that you must receive Him as Lord to be saved.

Peter does not state the Gospel (which by the way does not mention Christ as Lord in Paul's statement in 1 Cor. 15:1-8) until vv. 39-43 (a very similar statement to Paul's in 1 Cor. 15). Then in v. 43 Peter tells his audience how to get remission of sins--not mentioning Lordship at that point.

Furthermore, if LS is correct, then every single presentation of the Gospel in Acts should have presented Christ as Lord. They do not. Conclusion: since the preachers and witnesses in Acts did not present Lordship as necessary for salvation, then that was not the apostolic teaching.

Edited in: Aha! See also my post #66 about Acts 10:36. That was on p. 7. I also addressed you in post #67.

P. S. Still looking for any mention by you of Acts 10:36. Do you mean post #3? But you didn't mention 10:36 there. And I did answer that post, albeit briefly.
 
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Greektim

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webdog said:
There is no repentance without faith as they are one in the same.
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Agreed that they are the same or interchangeable ideas. A question for you would be, which defines the other? I (obviously) define faith more in terms w/ repentance, mainly b/c the root word for faith implies persuasion and faithfulness. It accords very well to repentance.
 
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Greektim said:
Agreed that they are the same or interchangeable ideas. A question for you would be, which defines the other? I (obviously) define faith more in terms w/ repentance, mainly b/c the root word for faith implies persuasion and faithfulness. It accords very well to repentance.
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I don't believe either defines the other. That is like what defines me (a father and husband)...the father or husband?

Sitting here in my OSU sweatshirt forgive me if my posts are filled with typpos while I type with my eyes closed, your avatar burned my corneas :)
 
Greektim

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webdog said:
I don't believe either defines the other. That is like what defines me (a father and husband)...the father or husband?

Sitting here in my OSU sweatshirt forgive me if my posts are filled with typpos while I type with my eyes closed, your avatar burned my corneas :)
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I know we don't agree on some theology, but that put a big smile on my face. Glad my avatar was so useful ;)
 
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preacher4truth said:
You and your agenda against repentance.

Repentance? A necessary ingredient in salvation, and a gift from God.

It's even an epistle mandate, not soley a Gospel or Acts mandate as you falsely assume.

You're incorrect again DHK.
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repentence/faith flip sides of the same coin!

BOTH part of the salvation "package" that God freely bestows upon the elect of God, all those of us found inthe Beloved!
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So this repentence would be similiar to gift of faith, as both required by God, and Both are provided by him unto those whom He has chosen in Christ!
 
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Heretics alert!

You both need to repent!

GO BIG BLUE!

and

GO TIGERS/LIONS!
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Although I am a Reds fan, No problem with the Tigers. I like em. Go Tigers!

The Lions, everyone feels sorry for the Lions.

But the Big BLEW? Never!

GO BUCKEYES!!!
 
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freeatlast said:
No because faith does not save us grace does.
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A rejection of sola fide. That's pitiful.
A rejection of Scripture.

Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God.
There are dozens of other verses just like that.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. (faith)

To state that faith does not save is a clear contradiction of the Bible.

Even then you still don't have it right.

What saves is Christ and Christ alone. However it is faith in Christ and what he has done for us. One must believe in Christ as the object of his faith in order to be saved. Without him it is impossible to be saved.
 
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Alive in Christ said:
Although I am a Reds fan, No problem with the Tigers. I like em. Go Tigers!

The Lions, everyone feels sorry for the Lions.

But the Big BLEW? Never!

GO BUCKEYES!!!
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Guess who have won MOST Big10 titles, and the MOST games all time?

2 hints, not Buckeyes, and lives in Ann Arbor!
 
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DHK

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JesusFan said:
So this repentence would be similiar to gift of faith, as both required by God, and Both are provided by him unto those whom He has chosen in Christ!
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A totally unbiblical concept, for God does not give the unregenerate/unsaved faith. God does not give spiritual gifts or the fruit of the spirit to unregenerate people. It is the most absurd concept the Calvinists have ever come up with.
 
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DHK said:
A totally unbiblical concept, for God does not give the unregenerate/unsaved faith. God does not give spiritual gifts or the fruit of the spirit to unregenerate people. It is the most absurd concept the Calvinists have ever come up with.
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Actually, we cannot take credit for that doctrinal concept, as it first came to us from Jesus and His Apostle Paul!
 
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