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Mr. Rippon said:Van, no English translation renders it "heaven" but kingdom of heaven. One has to die to go to either everlasting perdition or everlasting glory. Matthew 13:23 does not support your wild contentions.
Van said:I see Mr. Rippon, the amazing one, now claims we cannot enter the spiritual realm of God while physically alive.
Mr. Rippon said:Rippon, the rational never said what Van claims.
Absolutely no Bible translation or Bible commentary says the above. That is crystal clear.Matthew 23:13 is crystal clear, people were entering heaven
H-E-L-L-O, you are the one without the ability to understand Bible basics when we have presented the scriptural record before your eyes --over and over again.Say goodbye to the mistaken doctrine of total spiritual inability.
You tell me how you can twist 1 Cor. 2:14, for example, to make it say the opposite of what it does.Scripture teaches the fallen have limited spiritual ability, they can understand spiritual milk such as the gospel, but not spiritual meat.
It is, isn't it. They did not enter. Thank you. Total spiritual inability.Then we get more obfuscation, they were entering but they did not enter. So simple a child could grasp it.
More of a, perhaps consider it in this light, kind post.Yet another "taint so" post. Another it cannot actually mean what it says because that would mean total spiritual inability is bogus.
If a person actually enters God's kingdom, they are saved. In Christ = saved, not in Christ = not saved.
Indeed you are.I must be theologically biased
Again, they were not entering heaven. Not a single translation or Bible commentary says that --only you.Just read Matthew 23:13, people who were entering heaven were prevented by false teachers.
Here is a great example of your bias and precondition being used in your interpretation. You assume entering the Kingdom of Heaven is the same as entering heaven. First, that is not what the Kingdom is. Second, the goal is not to enter heaven. The goal is to be w/ God in new creation. The Jews didn't focus on heaven. They focused on a new heavens and new earth. They awaited the day of resurrection and a restored earth. Honestly, I think a little bit of Plato has seeped into your vision. That's alright, many evangelicals are greatly influenced by new-platonic thinking. We just have to learn how to avoid it.Folks, a repeat of the verse does not actually mean what it says argument. I must be theologically biased to accept it means exactly what it says. Just read Matthew 23:13, people who were entering heaven were prevented by false teachers. The people who were seeking God, seeking Christ, were turned away. Thus they were not being compelled by irresistible grace, yet were seeking God, so they had limited spiritual ability.
Van, you are full of misinformation and outright nonsense.. You are unteachable to boot.More personal attacks, more obfuscation, more effort to change the subject yet again.
Nope. A believer enters heaven upon death. One entering the kingdom of heaven does not mean the same thing. That's why no Bible translation has simply "heaven" in Matthew 23:13. That's why no commentary of Matthew has your assertion. That's why you are all alone in your novelties.Entering heaven = entering the kingdom of heaven = entering the spiritual realm of God.
Bottom line, no such thing has been demonstrated. It's your tomfoolery speaking.Bottom line, total spiritual inability has once again been shown to be bogus,
folks.....lolNote folks, not one holding the mistaken doctrine will admit that entering heaven, entering the kingdom of heaven and entering the spiritual realm of God are the same thing....
Calling you out on your hypocrisy is only a personal attack if you were offended b/c you know its true.More personal attacks, more obfuscation, more effort to change the subject yet again.
Entering heaven = entering the kingdom of heaven = entering the spiritual realm of God. The nit pickers want to change the subject and argue about the meanings of words. Obfuscation anyone.
Bottom line, total spiritual inability has once again been shown to be bogus, fallen people were entering heaven, thus seeking God, Matthew 23:13. Just read it folks.