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If the day is set, then how can the Lord tarry???Ed Edwards said:
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BBob,
Brother Bob
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Jerome said:
Yes Jerome, when the trumpet sounds and the voice of the arch angel, the the graves will open.
BBob,
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Ed Edwards said:
Well, I know you are a highly educated man and the scripture says I saw the "souls" OF THEM, that were beheaded.
If it were talking of entire man as you say, I would think it would of said. I saw the "souls" that were beheaded. I think a english major would agree, but I might be wrong.
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I don't know of any, but as the thousand years, it could be any length of time. Except this one:menageriekeeper said:
Rev 6:11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.
Which I think is from the time Christ died until the end of time, which would line up with what I been saying about when the MK was.
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Brother Bob said:
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Careful, Brother Bob.
If we extend that idea to "the hour" being "any length of time" that would mean that the resurrection of life and the resurrection of damnation could be separated by say, more than a thousand years, and yet still be described in John as both happening at "the coming hour."
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Jerome said:
Except the Lord said ALL would hear his voice and come forth. Also, the voice of the arch angel, the trump of God will sound.
never read of two trumpets, have you?..........
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Sounds to me like both individuals mentioned above have an almost identical, and extremely high opinion of their own understanding of what they are speaking of, on this subject.
Paul says something about this manner of thinking, I believe, warning against it, in one place (Rom. 11:25) and directly commanding against it in this place.
The KJV puts it this way.
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EdSutton said:Sounds to me like both individuals mentioned above have an almost identical, and extremely high opinion of their own understanding of what they are speaking of, on this subject.
Paul says something about this manner of thinking, I believe, warning against it, in one place (Rom. 11:25) and directly commanding against it in this place.The KJV puts it this way.
Ed
I have stated over and over, my eschatology is the same as Jesus Christ's. It is not a personal opinion, but taken after the words of Christ. That is not putting one's self above anyone.
Have a nice day Ed!
BBob,
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saved and sure,saved and sure said:
Welcome to BB. :wavey:
SnS, Bob is a HUGE allegorizer of scripture!! I find his technique to be like "the leaven of the Pharisees." By the time he's done, there are any number of events that might fit into the prophecy.
Your question in particular. Bob doesn't "insist on" chains or a "pit" to bind Satan. Just as long as Satan can't touch believers, that's good enough for ole Bob!
skypair
You keep saying this and it keeps being a HALF TRUTH! Jesus, living as He did in the OT, spoke OT eschatology to the JEWS.Brother Bob said:
But Jesus also taught NT eschatology to BELIEVERS -- the rapture for instance (Mt 19:28, John 14:1-4, Mt 25:1-13, etal.)
Bob, it is quite possibly too late to repair the damage you have done with your allegorization of everything, but I'll keep trying, bro. I'm sure you believe that God wrote about all these things openly in the Bible but intends to fulfill them all secretly so that men will constantly be confused about what He promised when, where, and how.
skypair
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The book of Revelation speaks of 7 trumpets. That is 42 different sets of two trumpets. I also note that none of the 7 trumpets is called 'the Last Trumpet'.Brother Bob said:...
never read of two trumpets, have you?..........
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Ed Edwards said:
Well Ed, I should realize that someone is always waiting for me to say something that they can act like they don't know what I meant, and say something else.
I am sure you know which trumpet I meant, so I will just leave it unsaid.
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So, are you saying that Jesus's eschatology is "half truth"????skypair said:
BBob,
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Yeah, but one of them has to be last, right?
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skypair said:Sorry, Bob. I retired from flying last November. Perhaps it's that "I am seated in heavenly places in Christ Jesus" that you do not understand me.
Well, for your sake, I am glad we only give an account for what we know.
Ezekiel 43:14. blah, blah, blah ... as Bp. Newcome translates, ... blah, blah, blah same as that of Solomon,... So you have ONE dimension that correlates -- and one verse -- and you didn't even read it yourself. Lovely. You're such a good student of the Word, Bob.
I guess I should be thankful, but when you came out with the animal sacrifices, that was enough for me.
Also, the damage may have already been done, when you retired from flying..............
Here are the Bible references to the Millennial Kingdom (See if you can fit them into your eschatology; they fit in mine.): Psa 2:6-8; 98:4-9; Isa 2:2-4, 9:6-7;11:9-16; 25:8; 29:18-19; 30:23-26, 35:5-10; 40:4-5, 10-11; 42:16; 45:6; 49:10-11; 55:13; 60:1, 3, 11, 19-20, 25; Jer 23:5-6; Ezek 34:23-24; Dan 2:44; 7:13-14; Joel 3:18; Amos 9:11, 13; Micah 4:1-6; Hab 2:14; Zeph 3:9, 15, 17; Zech 6:12-13; 8:3-5; 14:8-9;16, 20; Mt 19:28; 25:31; Luke 1:31-33; 22:30; Acts 2:30; Rom 8:21; 1Cor 15:24-28; Phil 2:10-11; 2Tim 2:12; Heb 1:8; Rev 3:21; 5:13, 11:15, 19:15:16; 20:4. BTW -- NONE of them sound like today.
If your mind is a one way street, I can understand them fitting into your eschatology.
And if you had "Instaverse," you could put your cursor on each and read each for yourself (but I doubt even if it was that easy you would avail yourself of my offering -- you, unlike Paul, having already "attained.")
Dual application, Bob. It doesn't neglect Israel. It just hasn't been given them yet.
skypair
To say that Israel was left out of the "new covenant" and it was given to the Gentiles instead, turns the scripture on its head.
I think this is a good place to bow out of this thread. There is nothing "new" coming from you, and I do not feel like going over the same old ground again.
Advice, always keep what Jesus said about the end times, before running off and start slaying animals.
BBob,
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So YOU say. You are obviously anti-dispensationalist and, possibly a replacement theologist. You really ought to see a therapist about your addiction to "alligories!" :laugh:Brother Bob said:
Yeah, if you are not going to step up to the challenge that NONE of those passages I gave you sound like the era we live in, I'd say you should bow out -- tail between your legs.
I won't even be here when that becomes an option so, "no sweat," Bob. My address then, BTW, will be "777 skypair St, New Jerusalem." I'll have the name of the city of God emblazoned on my head and T-shirt :laugh: per Rev 3:12!
And you'll be ---- WHERE??
skypair
Point is, others have, in essence, said the very same thing as you say, here. And this has been being said for over 1900 years, with Justin being an early case in point, Augustine being a later case, the Roman Catholic theologue that addresses eschatology prior to the Reformation (Consider that if no one was holding to any different idea, and all were of the same mindset, then why would someone bring some non-existent thing up, hence giving it new life?? The Albigenses, and Ana-Baptists were at most, very small and inconsequential players, in the whole scheme of things, were they not?), the Anglican "interrogator" of prominent Baptist, Stacy Keach, mentioned earlier in this thread, being only a few cases in point, from the early days of Church History, as we know it, thru today, where one can find,l not only "Christians", but even Baptists of about all stripes, and ideas.Brother Bob said:
You are attempting to to portray this as some "A" vs. "B" proposition, only, which is simply not the case. Orthodox Baptists alone are found of all flavors of eschatological positions. FTR, I am entirely orthodox, here; as is Ed Edwards, as is DeafPosttrib, as is skypair, as are some other 'A-mills' (at least from what I have seen posted), and we do not all agree. Actually, I even suggest that what you are putting forth is a bit less (maybe 5%, for a numerical guess) than 100% orthodox, for some of the things you have posted on the subject, are tinged with Gnosticism, and Arianism, and more line up with some of the 'unorthodox' views of Marcion, Origen, and Augustine and some Roman Catholic beliefs, than those of Gill, Keach, Spurgeon, and the Reformers, to name a few more.
I have little doubt that several others on the BB, are absolutely as convinced as you are. (Or that I might be, but I just never allowed my personal ego to get the better of me, and to say these words, publicly.) You can't 'get in trouble' for what you think, as long as you don't say it.
And some others who are "entirely orthodox", are not of the same persuasion as either you or I, nor particularly of the same exchatological system as any of the others I have mentioned above, for I specifically, and intentionally, avoided mentioning some, to show the contrast.
In other words, "accuracy" on a particular point or points, does not necessarily equal "orthodoxy" all others.
You too, have a nice day, as well.
Frankly, I have not had a real good week, as we have had to deal with a murder/suicide of a co-worker of my nephew's (She was also the daughter of my long-time veterinarian and friend, and she was murdered by her brother-in-law, who then killed himself, rather than be arrested.), and had two of our church members die yesterday - one a 32 year old man, who was also a classmate of my nephew, who was killed in an automobile wreck, going to work, yesterday A.M, (How do you tell a five year old that Daddy won't be coming home,or even get through, at all, to a two year old?), and 4 hours later, one of our fairly new church members (He had been saved less than 6 mos.), and a long time neighbor and friend, as well, died of the long-term effects of liver damage from cirrhosis, from drinking too much beer for most of his adult life. I never saw him close to not being able to work, and he could do and did more work in any day, than I ever could, up to the last year, and he was almost 15 years older than I am. But the damage had been done long-term for him, just as my diabetes did long-term damage, for me. And over the last few days, his liver function just completely shut down.
Pray for all the above families.
So I've been a 'mite busy' this week, as we are also working full days fencing, as well, here, and overhauling a tractor, too, of the evenings. Plus. I just had my 6 mo. 'CAT Scan' today, as well. I don't suspect any further problems, but it took most of a half-day, with a couple of other things I needed to do.
Gotta run, for now. I still have to fix two more things of food to take to these two families, as the dishwasher just stopped, so I can get the big pan to use to cook the spaghetti in.
Ed
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