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"Modern Israel at 70"
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If the jews would only just lay down and die, amiright ?
Aint gonna happen...
I don’t know anything about Zionism or anything like that. I don’t know anything about the argument over who the real Jews are. I don’t care. Israel exists and has a right to defend herself.
And we’ve had to bail England out of two world wars. It would be ridiculous to take their advice concerning self defense or nation preservation I’ll simply consider the source.
Why aren’t the millions of Muslim Arabs who live in Israel rioting ?
And we’ve had to bail England out of two world wars. It would be ridiculous to take their advice concerning self defense or nation preservation I’ll simply consider the source.
Why aren’t the millions of Muslim Arabs who live in Israel rioting ?
Hamas is paying $100 a day each for the Gazans to fight. Iran is picking up the tab.
If they'd only stop stealing other people's property and shooting children dead.
Get back to me when that happens
All of which is obvious.
Hamas caused this. Iran paid these people to try to destroy the new US offices in Jerusalem.
The last administration sent them 1.6 billion in cash in a C130 so they can afford it.
This post is despicable.
An Anglican professor from Beeson Divinity School in Alabama provided some NT evidence from the Puritans:
For example, Jesus predicted that one day Jerusalem would welcome him (Luke 13:34–35). In Matthew 24 he said that when the Son of Man returns, “all the tribes of the land will mourn,” quoting Zechariah’s prophecy about the inhabitants of Jerusalem mourning when “the LORD will give salvation to the tents of Judah” (Zech. 12:7, 10).
Then in Matthew 19 Jesus told his disciples that “in the new world, when the Son of Man shall sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel” (v. 28). When his disciples asked Jesus just before his ascension, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6), Jesus did not challenge their assumption that one day the kingdom would be restored to physical Israel. He simply said the Father had set the date, and they did not yet need to know it.
In Acts 3 Peter looked forward to “the times of restoration of all things which God spoke through the mouth of his holy prophets from ancient time” (Acts 3:21). The word Peter used for “restoration” was the same word (apokatastasis) used in the Septuagint (which the early church used as its Bible) for God’s future return of Jews from all over the world to Israel. And in Revelation the Lamb draws his followers to Zion in the final stage of history (Rev. 14:1), and the new earth is centered in Jerusalem, which has 12 gates named after “the 12 tribes of the sons of Israel” (Rev. 21:2, 12).
The Reformed Tradition on Israel Is Diverse
No, it's the truth, which evidently you can't handle.
What British preacher Spurgeon thought about Jewish restoration in Israel:
CHARLES HADDON SPURGEON
"I think we do not attach sufficient importance to the restoration of the Jews. We do not think enough of it. But certainly, if there is anything promised in the Bible, it is this." Vol. 1 pg 214. "The day shall yet come when the Jews, who were the first Apostles to the Gentiles, the first missionaries to us, we who were far off, shall be gathered in again. Until that shall be, the fullness of the Churches' glory can never come. Matchless benefits to the world are bound up with the restoration of Israel; their gathering in shall be as life from the dead." Vol. 17 pgs 703,704. "Oh for greater faith, to believe that nations may be born in a day, that multitudes may be turned to God at once, and we shall yet see it - see what our fathers never saw." The Restoration and Conversion of the Jews Vol. 10 pg 436.
Classic Christian Thinkers and the Jews - Messengers Messianic Fellowship
CHARLES HADDON SPURGEON
"I think we do not attach sufficient importance to the restoration of the Jews. We do not think enough of it. But certainly, if there is anything promised in the Bible, it is this." Vol. 1 pg 214. "The day shall yet come when the Jews, who were the first Apostles to the Gentiles, the first missionaries to us, we who were far off, shall be gathered in again. Until that shall be, the fullness of the Churches' glory can never come. Matchless benefits to the world are bound up with the restoration of Israel; their gathering in shall be as life from the dead." Vol. 17 pgs 703,704. "Oh for greater faith, to believe that nations may be born in a day, that multitudes may be turned to God at once, and we shall yet see it - see what our fathers never saw." The Restoration and Conversion of the Jews Vol. 10 pg 436.
Classic Christian Thinkers and the Jews - Messengers Messianic Fellowship
I wouldn't be surprised if those some of those jihadists who are being paid are getting American greenbacks which came over on the plane as "an incentive" to keep them from building their nukes for 10 years.
As a sidenote I am personally grieved by the bloodshed on both sides.
Who's to blame? well the argument will eventually go all the way back to the brothers Isaac and Ishmael and apparently won't be healed until Jesus returns.
As a sidenote I am personally grieved by the bloodshed on both sides.
Who's to blame? well the argument will eventually go all the way back to the brothers Isaac and Ishmael and apparently won't be healed until Jesus returns.
You believe what you believe, & I’ll believe what I believe. I believe I won’t listen to anything you have to say, so carry on.
The point of the thread is that Christian Zionists look to OT prophecy for the state of Israel to be established in "end times" & massive financial & military support is being given by US influenced by fundamentalists & Jewish lobbyists, & by the UK influenced by Jewish lobbyists.
They argue -
Gen. 12:3 I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you is quoted to make America afraid of losing God's blessing it it fails to support Israel 150%. Vast numbers of "Jews" have moved to Israel & established settlements by the displacement of Palestinians, & theft of land & resources. The land was promised to Abraham & his seed, so it's all the will of God, they say. Displacement of the Christian & Muslim Palestinians is their policy.
The quotations from the Puritans & Spurgeon are concerned with the conversion of the Jews. I wonder what they would say about the present situation where Israel continues in total rejection of their Messiah, & the Old Covenant Law? The conversion of the Jews can take place wherever they are on earth, & any holding of the land can only be temporary. not eternal, for Jesus will return for resurrection & judgment & will bring about the NH&NE. A millennium will not fulfill the promise & prophecies for eternity.
Jesus & his Apostles did not teach a return to the land after the destruction. People read that into some of their teaching. (e.g Spurgeon)
Jesus is the fulfilment of prophecy, not the earthly nation of Israel.The Jews in their thousands did believe the Gospel, first of John, then Jesus in his earthly ministry, at Pentecost & after as recorded in Acts. The many thousands included priests & Pharisees. But these converted Jews were viciously persecuted by the Jewish leaders & presumably did not maintain a "Jewish Christian" identity. They formed the Church, & accepted Gentiles into the Church. All according to prophecy.
The state of Israel is of no prophetic significance.
Ditto. Suits me, sir!
I just listed some NT verses for you so you will have to change your talking points. I also quoted Spurgeon.
Now I'm going to post this and watch all hell break loose if it hasn't already... In Acts 1:6 the disciples ask Jesus a question, does the question bare an answer?... Its surely not the answer they expected... Don't concern yourself with it!... You preach the Gospel!... You feed my sheep!... You preach the message I gave you!... I'm not a preacher but in over the 50 years I have been walking with the Lord and as long as I've been on this board... You brethren who are... Don't concern yourself with it!... PREACH THE GOSPEL!... Brother Glen
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
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