Most Evil Person in American History

[agedman]

As I said one falsehood after another:

1) Slavery as practiced in the South is condemned in Scripture, violating the do unto others as you would have them do unto you command.

No, doubt - but that has not been your contention.

Your contention is that the war over slavery - not how slavery was practiced. Even in this post you change horses mid stream. See the statements you made below for proof.

If the north wanted laws passed to regulate the treatment of slaves they could have done so.

But the north COULDN'T, because the same laws would have condemned their own states for the treatment of immigrants, workers, child labor ...

2) I have argued that the Slavery practiced by the South was evil, disgusting, sinful, immoral, and wrong.

No you haven't. You have argued that the South started the war and slavery was the cause. See the statements you made below for proof.

Are you now admitting that Slaver is not condemned in Scriptures?

Are you admitting that the North had no right to condemn the south when they treated their own with similar inhuman conditions?

3) Talk about irrationality!! Whether the North or the South started the war is not determined by whether the slavery practiced in the South was sinful.

Really? So, you are back to the south started the war over the established law of slavery and not the inhuman treatment of the South as it practiced slavery?

Then you must certainly be able to show that the Scriptures condemn the established law of slavery as evil.

4) The Civil War was caused by slavery, and the Southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in America history, right behind those responsible for 55 million abortions.

Yep, Just as I questioned above.

You have every Scriptural authority to post of the mistreatment being ungodly. Evil treatment is evil - no matter where it occurs nor to what conditions or reason might be an excuse for the evil treatment. This is why Nebuchadnezzar (although called the servant of God) was justly judged by God - the evil treatment that went beyond what God ordained as appropriate for justice.

These issues need to be settled:

1) Was the established law of the US approving of slavery? Yes

2) Can it be PROVED by Scripture that slavery is condemned as evil by God? (that is yet to be answered on this thread)
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The Godly southern gentlemen held that slavery was allowed by US law. Northern states also agreed for their own laws obliged the return of slaves to their owners.
The Godly southern gentlemen held that Scriptures did not condemn slavery as evil. It has yet to be proven otherwise.

Because the North violated their own established law, and the north refused to remove themselves from the southern confederation, then the NORTH then stands guilty of every death caused by their aggression toward the south.

 

[agedman]

1) Slavery as practiced in the South is condemned in Scripture, violating the do unto others as you would have them do unto you command.

My, you certainly know how to stretch the Scriptures to accommodate your own agenda.

Perhaps you need to revisit the documentation of first hand account(s) provided of how this command and slave ownership are not mutually exclusive.

One can, in fact, own slaves, and treat them how one would like to be treated. Imo, Thomas (Stonewall) Jackson may be a good example of how that is accomplished.

2) I have argued that the Slavery practiced by the South was evil, disgusting, sinful, immoral, and wrong.

No, that has NOT been your argument.

You have stated that slavery was wrong, how slavery was the cause of the Civil War, and only recently posted some small remark(s) of how it was practiced in the south.

Were there excessively evil people in the south? Certainly.

Were there excessively evil people in the north? Certainly.

Is evil sinful? Certainly - every sin is disgusting, immoral, and wrong - of that is no argument.

However, that isn't what you have consistently presented on this thread.

You have failed to present clear Scripture that condemns slavery as evil.

You have failed to present clear evidence that the south was both illegally wrong and Scripturally unrighteous for having slaves.

 

[agedman]

Folks,

There is a lot of misinformation from sources such as the NAACP and Hollywood hype that give a distorted view of the slavery issue and of the south.

Here are some sources that perhaps one who desires more than what the typical fluffy racist based politically correct media typically gives: (note - each gives various documentation sources for their statements)

From Black Plantation owners of the South

From Colorado College (dot) edu

From American Civil War "Dixie's Censored Subject"

From the Simon Wiesenthal Center

From US History (dot) Org "The Southern Argument for Slavery"
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This list is not exhaustive but these five have abundant source references that one can verify the accounts, and hopefully bring a bit more to the plate when discussing the attitudes and conditions of the pre-Civil War times.

 

[Van]

Folks, slavery caused the civil war. The Southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.

The Baptists split because those that opposed slavery said slave ownership made a person less than a follower of Jesus.

3 Million slaves were being kept in the south. There were being beaten, chained, abused, and murdered.

Any good ol boy who tries to justify slavery, as practiced in the south, is simply wrong.

 

[Salty]

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So an evil man in the US was Al Capone

 

[Revmitchell]

Folks, slavery caused the civil war. The Southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.

The Baptists split because those that opposed slavery said slave ownership made a person less than a follower of Jesus.

3 Million slaves were being kept in the south. There were being beaten, chained, abused, and murdered.

Any good ol boy who tries to justify slavery, as practiced in the south, is simply wrong.

Why do you care? Seriously you need to get a life. There are far more important things to worry about at this point in history.

 

[Van]

Hi Revmitchell, I care about truth, justice and the American way. I do not need to be a chronic fault finder, shifting discussion from the topic of the thread to perceived character flaws.

Folks, slavery caused the civil war. The Southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.

The Baptists split because those that opposed slavery said slave ownership made a person less than a follower of Jesus.

3 Million slaves were being kept in the south. There were being beaten, chained, abused, and murdered.

Any good ol boy who tries to justify slavery, as practiced in the south, is simply wrong.

 

[Revmitchell]

Hi Revmitchell, I care about truth, justice and the American way. I do not need to be a chronic fault finder, shifting discussion from the topic of the thread to perceived character flaws.

I doubt it. More like you care about being right to an obsession.

 

[Salty]

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Hmm, wonder what this discussion is all about

 

[OldRegular]

Hi Revmitchell, I care about truth

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[OldRegular]

I doubt it. More like you care about being right to an obsession.

Like another on this forum whose name starts right after Van!

 

[Revmitchell]

Like another on this forum whose name starts right after Van!

I don't know what that means.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally Posted by Revmitchell
I doubt it. More like you care about being right to an obsession.

A, B, C, ....... U, V, winman.

 

[OldRegular]

S/N is to be congratulated. This must be the longest thread ever on the Baptist Board. I don't know whether the moderators are asleep or simply waiting for someone to start throwing chairs! Of course they could be enthralled by all the history posted or the endless mantra of Van!

 

[Van]

It seems the good ol boys like to disparage those that disagree. I have been mentioned by name in several recent posts.

This is just a pathetic effort to change the subject from the topic of the thread, which is who are the most evil leaders in American history.

1) The Southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.

2) 3 Million slaves were being beaten, chained, abused, and murdered in the south.

3) The SBC split over the issue of slavery, with the south unwilling to accept the rebuke that to be a slave owner were to be less than a follower of Jesus.

4) Lincoln did not want slavery to expand into any new territories.

5) The South seceded before Lincoln took office.

6) The South fired on Fort Sumter, initiating hostilities.

 

[OldRegular]

Van:sleep:Van:sleep:Van:sleep:Van:sleep:

 

[agedman]

It seems the good ol boys like to disparage those that disagree. I have been mentioned by name in several recent posts.

This is just a pathetic effort to change the subject from the topic of the thread, which is who are the most evil leaders in American history.

1) The Southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.

2) 3 Million slaves were being beaten, chained, abused, and murdered in the south.

3) The SBC split over the issue of slavery, with the south unwilling to accept the rebuke that to be a slave owner were to be less than a follower of Jesus.

4) Lincoln did not want slavery to expand into any new territories.

5) The South seceded before Lincoln took office.

6) The South fired on Fort Sumter, initiating hostilities.

7) The deceit of the Yankees are actually believe as factual and repeatedly presented by the popular media rather than looking at the evidence.

8) First hand audio and visual presentations from folks who were actually involved (slaves), some posted here as proof of the facts, is in disagreement with much of what is popularly held.

9) The typical Yankee, as do all deceitful, not only cover lies by propagating further untruth, but distract from the facts by blaming others for their sin.

 

[Salty]

I'm Free I'm Free - thank God, I am Free at Last

I have secededed from VAN :thumbsup:

 

[Rippon]

This must be the longest thread ever on the Baptist Board. I don't know whether the moderators are asleep or simply waiting for someone to start throwing chairs!

Well,in one sense this may be the longest with respect to replies --mine makes 418. The views are now 5,888.

I have two past threads with over 8,000 views. The replies? 245 and 304.

But the Common Ground Coffee House has 379 replies and ...drum roll --32,727 views!

 

[agedman]

Well,in one sense this may be the longest with respect to replies --mine makes 418. The views are now 5,888.

I have two past threads with over 8,000 views. The replies? 245 and 304.

But the Common Ground Coffee House has 379 replies and ...drum roll --32,727 views!

Weren't they bought up by Starbucks?

I would rather get a good cup of Hazelnut coffee from 7-11 then waste my dollars on the overrated Starbucks.

I have purchased two times from Starbucks, and both times, they ended up in the trash and I looked for the nearest 7-11 for a good tasting brew.

Starbucks must be a Yankee company that produces little good.