New meaning for old verses

According to the best scholarship I'm aware of, 1 Peter was written to both Jews and Gentiles.

 

This does not even make sense.

Who does the chosing?

 

The whole of it, as Allan pointed out...

"God determined salvation to those of faith.
I agree that God decided of His own pleasure whom He will save.
But God determined in His own pleasure and purpose that He will save those who believe the Truth He set forth in CHrist through the ministry of the Holy Spirit."

 

Have ever wondered why the foreknowledge of God is never applied to a thing like faith, but always to people?

 

You're right...a choice between one thing, and one thing only doesn't make sense.

 

This still doesn't make a difference in who the "elect" are in that text.

 

in other words ...its the same old ..God choose based on looking down in time and seeing who would believe.

This is not what that verse says. Chosen to salvation.

God does not say... chosen because you choose me. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


So I ask again...what do you feel I deny...or are you just full of hot air again?

Time to point on the words you say I deny

 

For argument sake, How did those Jews become the elect of God? What part did they play in securing their election?

 

Jew and gentile alike who hold to Eph. 2:8-9 secure their salvation in this manner.

 

Then you do not understand choice. You chose what you love, therefore there is but one choice.

 

From the many conversations we have had, you know for a fact that I don't believe that "God chooses based on looking down in time and seeing who would believe." You are either being intentionally dishonest...or have a really bad memory. I don't think there is anything wrong with your memory....

 

The one telling me a choice can exist between one thing...or can occur when the will is in bondage telling me I don't understand choice :laugh:

 

James,
This is not what God has done.
God HAS set forth Truth both in nature and our conscience to all man. Romans 1 and 2. Though these people who don't know Christ (your law of murder) they DO know and reject the truths that God has already revealed (though some have not and God sent to them missionaries ).

 

Your words not mine......

don't get mad at me.

Now because I have asked 3 times and you have not posted one word that I deny....

It is my guess you have none. Therefore for you to say I only believe half of a verse is wrong

 

I have never once said what you have attributed me of saying.

What are you talking about? Your posts are a mish-mosh of confusion. Stick to the more trivial ones you are famous for.

 

James, Love is choice.

We can have no loving desire until we have first chosen to love, and that is point even regarding love in scripture. 1 Cor 13 - Choice must first come before desire and afterward choice follows the desire due to the first cause.

However, though love is connected at times with emotion, emotions are not love. Love is our actions in spite of our emotions at times.

 

Choice of what, Amy?

His people (Israel)?

Individuals who He would use for His pupose?

The line from which the Messiah would come?

Who is saved?

 

Allan,

You clearly said this...

This is not true and I showed that responsibilty exist even if a person does not know the Law. Now you have quoted Romans 1 and 2..this only shows man is even MORE without excuse. Calvinism teaches responsibilty...and it is real.

So you claims are wrong.

This is not the case in your state with Murder...now is it???

No one is forced. God opens the eyes of the elect to the truth.

 

What?!?! Love is a choice? That should make our wives happy even if it doesn't make some on here happy :laugh: