New meaning for old verses

[Amy.G]

Originally Posted by webdog
From the many conversations we have had, you know for a fact that I don't believe that "God chooses based on looking down in time and seeing who would believe."

I assume you are referring to salvation in this post. You don't believe that God chooses based on looking down in time and seeing who would believe. So, on what basis does God choose?

 

[webdog]

I assume you are referring to salvation in this post. You don't believe that God chooses based on looking down in time and seeing who would believe. So, on what basis does God choose?

On the basis He put forth in Scripture "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved".

Christ is the chosen Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Those "in Christ" are therefore also chosen in the Lamb before the foundation of the world.

 

[Allan]

What?!?! Love is a choice? That should make our wives happy even if it doesn't make some on here happy :laugh:

Love is not an emotion Web.
To quote DCTALK - "Love is a verb", and it is not a noun.

You must choose to love. There are times in our lives when we don't feel like we love but we continue IN Love regardless of emotions.

 

[Jarthur001]

I have never once said what you have attributed me of saying.

What are you talking about? Your posts are a mish-mosh of confusion. Stick to the more trivial ones you are famous for.

webdog said.

...then both you and James missed "belief in the truth"?

Selective reading, eh?

Webdog said...

Allan...you know you only need half a verse to explain Truth

What half do I not agree with?

 

[webdog]

webdog said.


Webdog said...


What half do I not agree with?

I'm talking about your fictitious "looking down into time..." statment you always use.

 

[webdog]

Love is not an emotion Web.
To quote DCTALK - "Love is a verb", and it is not a noun.

You must choose to love. There are times in our lives when we don't feel like we love but we continue IN Love regardless of emotions.

I realize that...we still chose to love our wives nonetheless, no? It was said in jest, anyways...

 

[Jarthur001]

The one telling me a choice can exist between one thing...or can occur when the will is in bondage telling me I don't understand choice :laugh:

It is very clear you do not.

Study human logic and behavior. Name any choice you have made, and I can trace it back to a love you have.

This is why man does not chose God..they love sin to much.

Therefore..God is not a choice to them

 

[Jarthur001]

I'm talking about your fictitious "looking down into time..." statment you always use.

nope..try again. This was about "to salvation"

Looking down in time is not a verse

 

[webdog]

It is very clear you do not.

Study human logic and behavior. Name any choice you have made, and I can trace it back to a love you have.

This is why man does not chose God..they love sin to much.

Therefore..God is not a choice to them

As Allan has already pointed out to you...love in itself is a choice. If they love sin too much, that in itself is a choice between two things, so your human logic and reasoning is already flawed to begin with.

 

[Allan]

God does not say... chosen because you choose me. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You are correct James.

It states chosen because you have believed me.

 

[Jarthur001]

Love is not an emotion Web.
To quote DCTALK - "Love is a verb", and it is not a noun.

You must choose to love. There are times in our lives when we don't feel like we love but we continue IN Love regardless of emotions.

Love is a learned behavior. You cannot love a Yaho Macho bean, till you know what one is.

One cannot love God till they know God.

 

[Amy.G]

You are correct James.

It states chosen because you have believed me.

What is the verse that says "chosen because you believed me"?

 

[webdog]

What is the verse that says "chosen because you believed me"?

What verse says "chosen without believing Me"?

 

[Jarthur001]

You are correct James.

It states chosen because you have believed me.

Give me your verse....

I'll give you mine. My verse says chosen that you may know me and believe me

Isa 43:10 Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Your verse that says what you just said is??

 

[Jarthur001]

What verse says "chosen without believing Me"?

Don't turn it around. Game stops here.

I would like to see this verse...

"It states chosen because you have believed me."

 

[TCGreek]

Jew and gentile alike who hold to Eph. 2:8-9 secure their salvation in this manner.

According to Eph. 2:4-6, God is the one who made both Jews and Gentiles alive. And this He alone did through His sovereign electing grace (v.4; 1:4, 5).

 

[TCGreek]

Webdog,

Are you one of those who believe that God saves the Jews different to how He saves the Gentiles?

 

[Allan]

Allan,

You clearly said this...


This is not true and I showed that responsibilty exist even if a person does not know the Law. Now you have quoted Romans 1 and 2..this only shows man is even MORE without excuse. Calvinism teaches responsibilty...and it is real.

No James, I said:

classic Calvinism denies ability within mans resposibilty thus no real responsibilty exists.

If man can not choose then no condemnation rests upon man who according to scripture has chosen rebellion.

Even you attest that man can not choose God without God frist completely changing the person so they can not deny Him. Man is not choosing my friend He is only following the predeterminded response placed in Him by God.

To say one is resposible without the abilty to respond is using no common sense.
The word 'responsible' is derived for their 'ability' and their ability to act thus make them resposible.

What you have in Calvinism regarding it's version of responsiblity is the denial of that which gives it any value - ability. Look up their definitions and you will see they both go hand in hand.

So you claims are wrong

No, you only took a portion of what I said and THAT made it wrong.
Calvinism view of 'responsiblity' is not even in accordance with what the word means in any language.

No one is forced. God opens the eyes of the elect to the truth.

Actaully God has to make them a completely new nature so that they CAN NOT do anything except believe. That is using alot of force don't you think

 

[webdog]

Give me your verse....

I'll give you mine. My verse says chosen that you may know me and believe me




Your verse that says what you just said is??

I thought chapters 43 - 45 were dealing with Israel, hence "witnesses"

 

[webdog]

According to Eph. 2:4-6, God is the one who made both Jews and Gentiles alive. And this He alone did through His sovereign electing grace (v.4; 1:4, 5).

I think regeneration preceding faith is a different subject for a different thread.