Palestinians, Israel

[John of Japan]

To begin with, the whole Oct 7 narrative is false. The truth about this must first be established in this discussion. There are way too many clues that show that this was a false flag. For one thing, Netanyahu was warned about this attack and did nothing.

The assistant pastor of our church recently took a trip to Israel to examine the evidence, and was hosted by Israeli government officials. He saw the houses with blood still there from the murdered inhabitants. He saw the bullet holes. He saw the "safe rooms" which were broken open so the Hamas terrorists could kill the hiding Israelis. He saw the destruction. He met Israelis who had lost loved ones. Then he was shown video footage that was too brutal to release to the public of absolutely appalling and vicious acts by Hamas terrorists.

It happened. All of it.

 

[JonC]

This judgment happened to the Jews, especially the leaders, in the first century. As Jesus had promised it would happen in that generation.

What actually happened to the Jews in the 1st century that you view as God's judgment (so severe they want the rocks to fall on them)?

 

[asterisktom]

The assistant pastor of our church recently took a trip to Israel to examine the evidence, and was hosted by Israeli government officials. He saw the houses with blood still there from the murdered inhabitants. He saw the bullet holes. He saw the "safe rooms" which were broken open so the Hamas terrorists could kill the hiding Israelis. He saw the destruction. He met Israelis who had lost loved ones. Then he was shown video footage that was too brutal to release to the public of absolutely appalling and vicious acts by Hamas terrorists.

It happened. All of it.

Good grief. I said the narrative was false. Not that there wasn't a massacre at all.

To have a respectful conversation requires of both of us to try to understand what the other person is saying. I don't think you extend that courtesy to me. You read for ammunition.

 

[asterisktom]

What actually happened to the Jews in the 1st century that you view as God's judgment (so severe they want the rocks to fall on them)?

Read Josephus. It is all in there. Also - more to the point - read the New Testament without dispensational blinders. Pay special attention to the "this generation" verses. The last days were the same last days that Moses had forewarned the Jews.

 

[Conan]

You're not looking at the facts. What Hamas did on October was criminal. They killed 1200 people and then kidnapped 251 people to hold as hostages in an attempt to force Israel to release 5200 from prisons.

They do hide behind their people just as the Palestinian Liberation Organization did before Hamas took over. They hide behind them to use their own people as fodder in an attempt to make the Israelis look as if they are committing genocide. The truth be known, Hamas has said declared many times they want every Jew killed. Hezbollah is no different. Both launch attacks on Israel and then scream bloody murder when Israel retaliates in kind.

Reading the posts you've written on this subject gives the impression you're anti-semetic.

Because you are not aware of the facts. Did you even know that the Al Qussam brigades went underground with the hostages. The Israelis did not even negotiate for their release. They did not even go after the Al Qussam brigades. They bombed every single building in Gaza a city of 2 million people. Only after that they tried to fight the brigades and got run out had to withdraw and rearm and then come back in. This was way back around the first Six months. From October 7th 3 years ago. I followed it almost every day back then (you did not) . Half of those original Israeli hostages were killed by the Hannibal Order. Look it up . As far as being anti-Semitic I do not hate Jews nor Palestinians. The Palestinians are a Semitic People just like the non white Jews. Abraham was Semitic Race. Iraqis are Semitic. Jordanians are Semitic. The list goes on and on.

Netananyahu would not even negotiate for their release, which brought on big protest back then (which you did not know about). Trump, whom you dislike, made Netananyahu negotiate for their release. Many Palestinians were exchanged for them .

 

[Conan]

The assistant pastor of our church recently took a trip to Israel to examine the evidence, and was hosted by Israeli government officials. He saw the houses with blood still there from the murdered inhabitants. He saw the bullet holes. He saw the "safe rooms" which were broken open so the Hamas terrorists could kill the hiding Israelis. He saw the destruction. He met Israelis who had lost loved ones. Then he was shown video footage that was too brutal to release to the public of absolutely appalling and vicious acts by Hamas terrorists.

It happened. All of it.

They went to take hostages to exchange for their 30,000 hostages. Many of which Israel traded for after Trump made Netananyahu who would not trade for any despite huge protests for the victims family's. Why were the Palestinians allowed to get out of the city surrounded by the huge walls of Barbed wire. Because Netananyahu needed a war. His Government ordered a stand down order on October 7. They were not to patrol the walls that night. I wonder why that was? Then the Hannibal order was given and that accounts for all of the bullet holes alright. Charlie Kirk knew the truth and he was killed for it. Netananyahu needed a war and he got it. Egypt told him. At least one Gulf State starts with a Q told him. Mossad Agents told him. The Israeli Government claimed they Gave their defenses to A.I. and it said all was good . I admit I believed that one for a moment. But it's a lie.

 

[Foxmeister]

Because you are not aware of the facts. Did you even know that the Al Qussam brigades went underground with the hostages. The Israelis did not even negotiate for their release. They did not even go after the Al Qussam brigades. They bombed every single building in Gaza a city of 2 million people. Only after that they tried to fight the brigades and got run out had to withdraw and rearm and then come back in. This was way back around the first Six months. From October 7th 3 years ago. I followed it almost every day back then (you did not) . Half of those original Israeli hostages were killed by the Hannibal Order. Look it up . As far as being anti-Semitic I do not hate Jews nor Palestinians. The Palestinians are a Semitic People just like the non white Jews. Abraham was Semitic Race. Iraqis are Semitic. Jordanians are Semitic. The list goes on and on.

Netananyahu would not even negotiate for their release, which brought on big protest back then (which you did not know about). Trump, whom you dislike, made Netananyahu negotiate for their release. Many Palestinians were exchanged for them .

They went to take hostages to exchange for their 30,000 hostages. Many of which Israel traded for after Trump made Netananyahu who would not trade for any despite huge protests for the victims family's. Why were the Palestinians allowed to get out of the city surrounded by the huge walls of Barbed wire. Because Netananyahu needed a war. His Government ordered a stand down order on October 7. They were not to patrol the walls that night. I wonder why that was? Then the Hannibal order was given and that accounts for all of the bullet holes alright. Charlie Kirk knew the truth and he was killed for it. Netananyahu needed a war and he got it. Egypt told him. At least one Gulf State starts with a Q told him. Mossad Agents told him. The Israeli Government claimed they Gave their defenses to A.I. and it said all was good . I admit I believed that one for a moment. But it's a lie.

I'm well aware of the facts. It's apparent you aren't. I feel sorry for you, I really do. The sources you put with your posts are by uncredible people who appeal to you because they fit your own personal agendas. You parrot a bunch of conspiracy crap because it fits your agendas. I'm surprised you haven't said the holocaust was a fabrication.

 

[Conan]

I'm well aware of the facts. It's apparent you aren't. I feel sorry for you, I really do. The sources you put with your posts are by uncredible people who appeal to you because they fit your own personal agendas. You parrot a bunch of conspiracy crap because it fits your agendas. I'm surprised you haven't said the holocaust was a fabrication.

You should not be surprised that I do not deny the Holocaust.

 

[Conan]

And that makes them in the right?? Or does it just exhibit the amount of hate they have for Jews?



And all the inhumane burning of children in ovens, rape and unmentionable acts they did that were nothing like taking prisoners are justified in your mind and not worthy of an answer by Israel. They as a nation should just allow themselves to be raped pillaged and killed??



I think you have the details mixed up. It was Israel who was on holiday which explains the lack of guard. It was Israel and tourists who were killed and taken hostage.

But you will believe whatever quack nonsense Aljazeera puts out.

There was no burning of children in any ovens. Nor any rapes. That was said so that you would have unjustified outrage against the Palestinians. See through the propaganda. That was taken from WW2.

I also don't condone the taking of hostages. I was just telling you what was going on.

 

[Ben1445]

Read Josephus. It is all in there. Also - more to the point - read the New Testament without dispensational blinders. Pay special attention to the "this generation" verses. The last days were the same last days that Moses had forewarned the Jews.

So we are in the days after the last ones?

I’m not saying that they were not in the last days. I’m saying we are in the same last days and not the days after the last days.

What does last mean to you?

Where do we go from here? Is Jesus returning or has that already happened too?

 

[Ben1445]

There was no burning of children in any ovens. Nor any rapes. That was said so that you would have unjustified outrage against the Palestinians. See through the propaganda. That was taken from WW2.

I also don't condone the taking of hostages. I was just telling you what was going on.

Ah, I see. That is all I need to know. I realize now to what extent you are willing to believe anti-Jewish propaganda.

 

[asterisktom]

So we are in the days after the last ones?

I’m not saying that they were not in the last days. I’m saying we are in the same last days and not the days after the last days.

What does last mean to you?

Where do we go from here? Is Jesus returning or has that already happened too?

Yes, we are in the days after the Biblical last days. Last days do not stretch over 2000 years. It is especially ludicrous to make the "last hour" last 2000 years.

What "last" means to me is not the question to ask. We should be asking what "last" meant to them.

Yes, Christ came in the first century. He is still here. He is reigning just as He promised.

Now here is a question for you. Consider this passage:

"And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes."- Matt. 10:22-23

Are the Disciples still going through the cities of Israel? If not, the Son of Man has already come. And if you think that this is only a punitive coming in judgment I suggest you read the rest of the chapter. Also, nowhere do we read of two returns or comings of Jesus. He always spoke to His Disciples of His one coming.

 

[John of Japan]

Good grief. I said the narrative was false. Not that there wasn't a massacre at all.

To have a respectful conversation requires of both of us to try to understand what the other person is saying. I don't think you extend that courtesy to me. You read for ammunition.

I simply read what you wrote and drew a logical conclusion. Now you blame me for your own lack of clarity!

 

[John of Japan]

They went to take hostages to exchange for their 30,000 hostages. Many of which Israel traded for after Trump made Netananyahu who would not trade for any despite huge protests for the victims family's. Why were the Palestinians allowed to get out of the city surrounded by the huge walls of Barbed wire. Because Netananyahu needed a war. His Government ordered a stand down order on October 7. They were not to patrol the walls that night. I wonder why that was? Then the Hannibal order was given and that accounts for all of the bullet holes alright. Charlie Kirk knew the truth and he was killed for it. Netananyahu needed a war and he got it. Egypt told him. At least one Gulf State starts with a Q told him. Mossad Agents told him. The Israeli Government claimed they Gave their defenses to A.I. and it said all was good . I admit I believed that one for a moment. But it's a lie.

You wrote a whole lot here, and none of it sourced. I don't have time to run down all of these "conspiracy theory" type statements. Have a good day.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Now here is a question for you. Consider this passage:

"And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes."- Matt. 10:22-23

Are the Disciples still going through the cities of Israel? If not, the Son of Man has already come.

Hyper-preterism is entirely refuted by Acts 1:11 as I have shown more than once on this forum.
I have also shown the proper meaning of Matt. 10:22-23. First of all, in ancient times, a 'city' (Greek polis) meant a settlement that was protected by a wall all the way around. A settlement without a wall was called a kome. Now have a look at ancient Israel - it's tiny! It would certainly not have taken the disciples until AD 70 to visit all the cities of Israel.
So what does the text mean. Look at Matthew 24:14. '"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come." So how do we square the two texts? What our Lord is saying in Matt. 10:22f is that His disciples will not have preached the gospel in every single city where God's people (the true Israelites - Rom. 2:28f; Gal. 3:28-29) are to be found before He returns.

I am sorry to have deviated from the subject of the O.P, but I was not the first to do so.

 

[Ben1445]

Yes, we are in the days after the Biblical last days. Last days do not stretch over 2000 years. It is especially ludicrous to make the "last hour" last 2000 years.

What "last" means to me is not the question to ask. We should be asking what "last" meant to them.

Yes, Christ came in the first century. He is still here. He is reigning just as He promised.

Now here is a question for you. Consider this passage:

"And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes."- Matt. 10:22-23

Are the Disciples still going through the cities of Israel? If not, the Son of Man has already come. And if you think that this is only a punitive coming in judgment I suggest you read the rest of the chapter. Also, nowhere do we read of two returns or comings of Jesus. He always spoke to His Disciples of His one coming.

So when did Jesus come in the clouds the same way He left?

And last doesn’t mean last? You think that this is post judgment? This is as good as it gets? God is going to allow wickedness without end, or will He visit His people again?

 

[Aaron]

I am not sure Israel want the Palestinians out of Gaza as much as that want peace between the two people.

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