Passive Occupy protesters take pepper spray blast

[Gina B]

How come we're only seeing the video that puts the police in the worst light possible? Where's all the video of policemen showing restraint?

That's a great question. I'm asking it myself. If you have some, please post them. It won't negate the ones where they are doing wrong, but perhaps the police who respond in an unreasonable fashion would benefit from seeing videos of officers responding in an appropriate way to Occupy protestors.

 

[freeatlast]

No, you may not--because I never said that. My argument with you was your unproven, unsubstantiated statement that many policemen who are guilty of police brutalityare prior military--even in the face of research I provided that indicated prior military service had no bearing on whether a policeman was more prone towards brutality.


Just like in the 60's, eh?

According to the chancellor of the college, they were posing a safety risk to the rest of the college community. The police were merely there at the chancellor's request to enforce a policy for the safety of all. Aren't you the one that said policemen don't get to make the laws, only enforce them?

Back peddling? This brand of police brutality and support is what will bring this nation down and has already started to do it with the support of the Gestapo at our airports. Because this kind of mindset our military will be set loose on the people and citizens will die because of people who support this kind of police state.

 

[Don]

Tom, I will not argue that some policemen use these situations as an excuse to exercise their aggression.

But I am reminded of a scene from "We Were Soldiers," where a taxi driver was delivering death notices to the wives of fallen soldiers. He knocked on one woman's door, and she nearly went into shock; only to find out he was looking for directions. She lambasted him harshly. The driver said, "I don't like this job." But someone had to notify the spouses their husbands were dead, didn't they?

Let's send the policemen back to their regular duties; but what would you have us do a week from now if the situation hasn't changed?

 

[freeatlast]

Gina, I have a question for your consideration: how long have the protests been going on? Weeks? And how much video has been put out on police response? You identify 8 minutes of video, for just this particular situation; how long were the campus police on scene before they started the pepper spray?

How come we're only seeing the video that puts the police in the worst light possible? Where's all the video of policemen showing restraint?

The craftiness of the of the snared. When they are caught red handed make claims for things that do not exist. Tell the people they cannot believe what they just saw there must be another explanation. All this brain washing and more to come.

 

[freeatlast]

Tom, I will not argue that some policemen use these situations as an excuse to exercise their aggression.

But I am reminded of a scene from "We Were Soldiers," where a taxi driver was delivering death notices to the wives of fallen soldiers. He knocked on one woman's door, and she nearly went into shock; only to find out he was looking for directions. She lambasted him harshly. The driver said, "I don't like this job." But someone had to notify the spouses their husbands were dead, didn't they?

Let's send the policemen back to their regular duties; but what would you have us do a week from now if the situation hasn't changed?

Seeking an excuse for more police brutality? When the military gets involved will the same excuses be used? This is not the movies this is real life. Pointing to movies is just another tactic to brain wash and get peoples eyes off what is true. Our government forces have become experts in covering illegal activities and shrewd enough not only to believe they are doing good but convince others they are also.

So why would it change as now the police through illegal activities have ramped up the anti and opened the door for more police violence as the crowds now strike back just like in any country that denies the rights of the people. You can bet that many of those officers who used unnecessary force were ex-military. In the future it will be the real deal of real military who stands against the freedoms of the people.

 

[Don]

Back peddling?

Where am I allegedly "back-peddling"?

This brand of police brutality and support is what will bring this nation down and has already started to do it with the support of the Gestapo at our airports.

Agreed--if by "Gestapo" you mean TSA. And if you take the time to research these threads, you might actually find the posts where I've argued against the restrictions placed upon our free movement within this country.

Because this kind of mindset our military will be set loose on the people and citizens will die because of people who support this kind of police state.

As you so eloquently put it: we'll see.

 

[Don]

Seeking an excuse for more police brutality? When the military gets involved will the same excuses be used? This is not the movies this is real life. Pointing to movies is just another tactic to brain wash and get peoples eyes off what is true. Our government forces have become experts in covering illegal activities and shrewd enough not only to believe they are doing good but convince others they are also.

"We Were Soldiers" is based on the real-life events surrounding Col Hal Moore in Viet Nam; the incident I described was a true event, not just a movie.

But I'm not expecting you to know the difference.

 

[freeatlast]

Where am I allegedly "back-peddling"?


Agreed--if by "Gestapo" you mean TSA. And if you take the time to research these threads, you might actually find the posts where I've argued against the restrictions placed upon our free movement within this country.


As you so eloquently put it: we'll see.

We already have but not to the extent that we will.

 

[freeatlast]

"We Were Soldiers" is based on the real-life events surrounding Col Hal Moore in Viet Nam; the incident I described was a true event, not just a movie.

But I'm not expecting you to know the difference.

No movie is factual. None the less trying to justify brutality and anti constitutional activities by the authorities with a movie is seeking to brainwash the people.

 

[Don]

That's a great question. I'm asking it myself. If you have some, please post them. It won't negate the ones where they are doing wrong, but perhaps the police who respond in an unreasonable fashion would benefit from seeing videos of officers responding in an appropriate way to Occupy protestors.

Unfortunately, there are no protests occurring where I currently live, or I' be happy to go out and do some filming.

No, it won't negate the oneswho are responding unreasonably; but one does have to ask, where's the balanced reporting?

Did you see the other thread in this section about OWS accounting?

 

[TCassidy]

Tom, I will not argue that some policemen use these situations as an excuse to exercise their aggression.

But I am reminded of a scene from "We Were Soldiers," where a taxi driver was delivering death notices to the wives of fallen soldiers. He knocked on one woman's door, and she nearly went into shock; only to find out he was looking for directions. She lambasted him harshly. The driver said, "I don't like this job." But someone had to notify the spouses their husbands were dead, didn't they?

I sure hope you don't get your knowledge of history from Hollywood! The above only happened after the battle of Ia Drang and then only because the Military had not had time to set up a notification system. Later, in the late 1960s I became a part of that system. One of my first duties was to accompany the body of one of my best friends home after his death. The Marine Corps did a masterful job of closing ranks around the family and finding the younger brother of the dead Marine, who was also a Marine, and making sure he was home in time for the funeral.

Besides, what has this to do with the subject of the thread?

Let's send the policemen back to their regular duties; but what would you have us do a week from now if the situation hasn't changed?

Why do anything? Let them assemble. Let them protest. As long as they do not destroy property or burn the campus down, leave them alone. They will soon tire of it and go home. Remember, this is (supposedly) a FREE country. Political expression is the right of every citizen, even if their politics disagree with yours! Its not freedom unless everybody has it!

 

[Don]

We already have but not to the extent that we will.

Answer the first question: where am I allegedly "back-peddling"?

 

[Don]

I sure hope you don't get your knowledge of history from Hollywood! The above only happened after the battle of Ia Drang and then only because the Military had not had time to set up a notification system. Later, in the late 1960s I became a part of that system. One of my first duties was to accompany the body of one of my best friends home after his death. The Marine Corps did a masterful job of closing ranks around the family and finding the younger brother of the dead Marine, who was also a Marine, and making sure he was home in time for the funeral.

Besides, what has this to do with the subject of the thread?
Why do anything? Let them assemble. Let them protest. As long as they do not destroy property or burn the campus down, leave them alone. They will soon tire of it and go home. Remember, this is (supposedly) a FREE country. Political expression is the right of every citizen, even if their politics disagree with yours! Its not freedom unless everybody has it!

No, I don't get my history from movies; but what movies I do watch are based on historical events.

What did that particular event have to do with this thread? Has anyone actually thought to wonder how many of these policemen are "enjoying themselves," or merely fulfilling a job requirement they don't necessarily like?

 

[freeatlast]

Some of you people scare me. I think the OWS movement is idiotic, but I will defend to my death if necessary their right to peaceable assembly and petition for redress of grievances.

I am glad many of you were not in Birmingham in 1963 or Selma in 1965.

The cops were out of control. Just leave them alone and sooner or later they will tire of it all and go home. All the cops did was give them more reason to protest.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I am afraid this is far more serious then anthing we have seen in the past. Not simply these people protesting but this is setting the stage for a police state run by the military.

 

[annsni]

It was in the letter to the Chancellor. I suppose the guy that wrote the letter lied though. Had to be because the authorities never lie or abuse their authority.

We all know that.

Yep, well we all know that letters always tell the truth. I still didn't see it in the video. I'm sure if it happened, it would be pretty handy to have it on video!

 

[annsni]

I don't care if someone is protesting the use of sugar in coffee, the more I see of police action against this group, the more I sympathize with the group rather than the police. At first I figured yeah, lots of hoopla and exaggeration, but then I watched the (8 minutes +) video and this one:

Here's another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNHXuf6qJas&feature=related

and I have to say...what I'm seeing appears to be extremely unjustified.

But then I see them verbally assaulting children trying to get to school in lower Manhattan and I think they are all selfish ogres who deserve more than what they get.

 

[freeatlast]

No, I don't get my history from movies; but what movies I do watch are based on historical events.

What did that particular event have to do with this thread? Has anyone actually thought to wonder how many of these policemen are "enjoying themselves," or merely fulfilling a job requirement they don't necessarily like?

I have friends who are police and some retired all Christians and they will tell you privately the police are out of control. I know of one man who transferred from the beat because of the unethical practices of the officers and their leaders.
So do they like this kind of thing. Absolutely! They love it and when they get back to the station they brag about how they beat someone down. I actually had a vehicle broken into about a year ago and when the officer came out to investigate we got to talking and he started to brag how he ran a guy down a few days early and beat him down. There are two possibilities here. One because of being in the military you are so brain washed you cannot see what is happening or you are part of the group who lives to see people suffer at the hands of authority. I pray you are not the latter.

 

[Don]

I have friends who are police and some retired all Christians and they will tell you privately the police are out of control. I know of one man who transferred from the beat because of the unethical practices of the officers and their leaders.
So do they like this kind of thing. Absolutely! They love it and when they get back to the station they brag about how they beat someone down. I actually had a vehicle broken into about a year ago and when the officer came out to investigate we got to talking and he started to brag how he ran a guy down a few days early and beat him down. There are two possibilities here. One because of being in the military you are so brain washed you cannot see what is happening or you are part of the group who lives to see people suffer at the hands of authority. I pray you are not the latter.

Again--you indicated I was "back-pedaling." Please identify where I was allegedly "back-pedaling," or offer an apology.

 

[Gina B]

But then I see them verbally assaulting children trying to get to school in lower Manhattan and I think they are all selfish ogres who deserve more than what they get.

That's horrible, but probably like not all the police are reacting to these people the same in all places, not all protestors are doing that.

But that should be made public too. Got a cell phone with video? What the other poster on here said is true...seeing both sides of it from different areas might add more balance.

 

[freeatlast]

Again--you indicated I was "back-pedaling." Please identify where I was allegedly "back-pedaling," or offer an apology.

Don as usual you try and cover the truth by twisting the truth. Just like you are doing seeking a way to support the criminal activities of the police. If you look at the post it was a question, not a statement. So tell me are you backpedaling that the police or military would never violate the peoples freedoms or rights?