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Passive Occupy protesters take pepper spray blast
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And that question wasn't asked or answered in any of the articles or videos I've seen so far. Please feel free to educate me. Until clarified, are we to assume that no safety hazard existed?
And from this we can take that each policeman will size up the situation based on their training, their local/state laws/requirements, and their judgment.
Remember, all we've seen is the 8 minutes of video showing the campus cop spraying the protesters. I have no idea what preceeded this decision, and that's why I made my original statement about not "arm-chairing" it.
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Yes, we can let our desires to be known without breaking the law.
When God tells me to protest the rich people by spitting on police, I will do so. But until then...
In the absence of any evidence we must assume no hazard exists. We cannot assume a hazard exists, and violate people's rights on the basis of that assumption, until it is proven that no hazard exists.
Unfortunately, no. Most will not. Most will put their paycheck and their pension ahead of the rights of the people whose rights they have sworn to protect.
The videos we did see show the protesters in a completely non-violent position being pepper sprayed by a cop walking past them. If a civilian were to do that he could probably be charged with a felony. We, as a people, need to return to "equal justice under the law."
There was an OWS group here in San Diego too. The cops mingled with the people, chatted with them, gave directions to available facilities when asked, and generally conducted themselves as servants of the people and not their masters. Of course we never saw that on television for it is not exciting enough to be on the late news.
But the protesters back then WERE breaking the law. It was illegal for a black person to cross that bridge and be on the "white" side of town! It was illegal for a black person to sit in the front of the bus. It was illegal for a black person to eat at an all white lunch counter!
Can you show me in the video of UC Davis where any protester spat on a police officer?
It was not on that video but it was shown on my CBS affiliate news station last week, I believe. It was showing the police's amazing restraint despite being very abused.
I thought not.
freeatlast
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Don, YOU JUST DON"T GET IT! They were peaceful! They were not breaking any laws! As citizens we can assemble and protest against the sun and moon if we want as long as we are peaceful and not breaking any laws. Are you seeking to do away with the constitution and our rights, along with the socialist movement in the white house, to assemble and protest as well so as to protect Nazi style actions of the police or military?
No, YOU don't get it, Mr. Self-contradiction (by the way, that's not such a bad screen name; you might consider changing to that one). My original premise was that I had no position on the pepper spray, because I wasn't going to armchair quarterback a situation where I wasn't present and only had the information that the sympathizers of the protesters wanted us to see. Until further information became available, I wasn't going to second-guess and assume the worst.
The news reports today are still not providing a clear picture of the events leading up to the decision to pepper spray the students, and the campus police are either not providing an explanation or it's not being published. It's looking more and more like it was just a bad decision.
freeatlast
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I don't think anyone has to be phi beta kappa to know that when a group is setting not breaking any laws they should not be attacked by the police. If any citizen had done what the police did they would be charged with felony assault. Your attempt to destroy this nations constitutionional freedoms and rights is sad.
Well...these occypiers were looking for a victim issue and now they have found one. Doesn't change the nature of their constant illegal activity across the nation but it gives the left something to distract from the reality and nature of their protests. And some on this board are buying into it. Its a shame.
They are protesting the banks profiting enormously from the so-called "bail out" when the banks, instead of using the bail out money to help the home owners who were losing their homes they gave each other millions of dollars in bonuses and used it to buy other banks and expand their greed! They are protesting the unjust law that both the Bush and Obama administrations passed to use public funds to bail out private banks who then turned around and spent millions on birthday parties and other frivolous nonsense why the little people were still losing their homes!
Much like Freddie and Fannie. So how come they are not protesting them? And weren't those loans repaid? Well accept for Freddie and Fannie.
freeatlast
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It does not matter what they protest or don't protest. It is their right as long as they break no laws.
So they WERE breaking the law ?
Yes. They should. No.
What part of "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" in the First Amendment don't you understand?
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