Pictoral Chart of Revelation

Mel, who are those that call upon the Lord AFTER the moon and the sun?
--Herb Evans

Joe 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

 

Mel, in those days of the moon and the sun and those that call on the Lord, does this battle and gathering occur after the moon and the stars. -- Herb Evans

Joe 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
Joe 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

 

Mel, is this the Day of the Lord? -- Herb Evans

Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
Mal 4:2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

Mel, who is it that call on the name of the Lord here, when it shall come to pass after the moon and the sun and that great and notable day of the Lord? -- Herb Evans

Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved

 

Did the TV preacher do a "hit and run" again?

 

Either that or a hit, run, and hide. -- Herb Evans

 

Chart of Revelation

Herb,

Your quote from #96:
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"So, how is the Day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night a surprise to anyone, when the moon and star thing takes place? How is the “they say peace and safety” of 1 Thess. 5:2, 3 consistent with the moon and stars thing? Does anyone escape the moon and the stars thing before your rapture? How? If the moon and stars thing takes place after His coming, what is the Great and terrible Day of the Lord? One , Two, or Three?"
Herb Evans
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The Signs of the Day of the Lord, in the sun, moon and stars, precede
only the EVENTS of that Day. These signs occur at noon of the single
day of the Lord. Amos 8:9. How is it that these signs come "as a thief"?

The word of the Lord, given in the very context of armies gathered to the
plains of Armageddon, states that this is when He is coming "as a thief"!
Rev.16:14-16. The signs come as a thief because these armies, having killed a third of mankind and crossing the Euphrates as the Beast claims the power to have dried up the River and people are celebrating the deaths of their enemies, the Two Prophets!! ALL this is a perfect setting for the wicked to think they are "safe and secure" ... at the start of the
12-Hour Day of the Lord!!!

At another word of the Lord, these signs come "suddenly, as a snare",
on the very DAY He appears and they cause men to "faint from fear"!
Luke 21:25-35. That peace will be shattered, not only by the Signs at Noon; but by the sudden rising up of the Two Prophets to heaven in the "same hour as the great quake" (during a half part of the Last Day) of Seal 6 and the killing of 7000 of the Beast's elite guard by that quake!!
I am amazed that you can't see the picture!!!

You are off base in asking if these SIGNS occur "after Christ comes"!
You need to read the text more carefully before making comments!!
Your questions arise out of the false concept that the "peace and
safety" refers to the peace shattered at Midpoint of Daniel's 70th 7!!!

I will send you a Post shortly showing what happens on the Single
12-Hour Day of the Lord.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

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Herb,

From #97 your quote:
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"The day of the Lord or Day of God does include the heavenly catastrophe, but it also includes the great battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of the Lord coming as a THIEF (1 thess. 5:2). Moreover, you still have folks WATCHING in this Day of God. -- herb Evans
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I agree with all four points in this quote. They occur on the 12-Hour-Day
of the Lord. I will send a Post shortly to show you why this is so.

Mel

 

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Herb,

The events from Zec.14:1-9,12 occur on the 12-Hour-Day of the Lord!!!
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But what follows verse 9 and Zech.14:12 is a result of that Day's Events.
As it says, "that day is a unique day, neither day nor night" (because it
is unique beyond any other day in history) and is known as such only
by the Lord, "and the light will return at twilight".

Mel

 

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They are identified in Zech.14:16; Joel 2:32; Luke 17:30-33; Matt.24:30;
Rev.1:7; Rom.11:32; Luke 21:28-36. Many of them become the Sheep of Matt.25:32 and Rev.21:24-26, after Christ sits on His Throne for 1000 years, and many of their descendants make up the nations that "come
against the Saints in Jerusalem" at the End of the Millennium.

Mel

 

Herb,

Your quote from #96:
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"So, how is the Day of the Lord coming as a thief in the night a surprise to anyone, when the moon and star thing takes place? How is the "they say peace and safety" of 1 Thess. 5:2, 3 consistent with the moon and stars thing? Does anyone escape the moon and the stars thing before your rapture? How? If the moon and stars thing takes place after His coming, what is the Great and terrible Day of the Lord? One , Two, or Three?" Herb Evans
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The Signs of the Day of the Lord, in the sun, moon and stars, precede only the EVENTS of that Day. These signs occur at noon of the single day of the Lord. Amos 8:9. How is it that these signs come "as a thief"?

Nothing here about the Day of the Lord. That is an interpolation. You have said nothing here. And you have not said anything about who escapes before your rapture? And you have not told us what the Great and terrible Day of the Lord is. Whether it is one, two, or three. 1. being the sun and moon of Matt. 24:29; 2. the Coming of the Lord – 24:30; and 3. the gathering of the saints. And 1 Thess 5 says that that day will not overtake the children of light. --HerbEvans

The word of the Lord, given in the very context of armies gathered to the plains of Armageddon, states that this is when He is coming "as a thief"! Rev.16:14-16. The signs come as a thief because these armies, having killed a third of mankind and crossing the Euphrates as the Beast claims the power to have dried up the River and people are celebrating the deaths of their enemies, the Two Prophets!! ALL this is a perfect setting for the wicked to think they are "safe and secure" ... at the start of the 12-Hour Day of the Lord!!!

Nothing about the moon and the stars here in Rev. 16. In fact these folks are supposed to be watching and keeping their garments. Then you have the subsequent earthquakes and the fall of Babylon and the antichrist and the plague of hail. This is the Great tribulation, and there is more than one day here. – Herb Evans

At another word of the Lord, these signs come "suddenly, as a snare", on the very DAY He appears and they cause men to "faint from fear"! Luke 21:25-35. That peace will be shattered, not only by the Signs at Noon; but by the sudden rising up of the Two Prophets to heaven in the "same hour as the great quake" (during a half part of the Last Day) of Seal 6 and the killing of 7000 of the Beast's elite guard by that quake!! I am amazed that you can't see the picture!!!

I am amazed that you cannot clarify your picture. I am also surprised how that you force these passages together without batting an eyelash. I am also amazed that you are not ashamed of your 7 Day Adventist type interpolations and insertions. You have not proved one thing heretofore. You have merely pontificated a this means this and a that means that type interpretation. – Herb Evans

You are off base in asking if these SIGNS occur "after Christ comes"! You need to read the text more carefully before making comments!! Your questions arise out of the false concept that the "peace and safety" refers to the peace shattered at Midpoint of Daniel's 70th 7!!!

I wonder if you think that you intimidate me with that “Dost thou teach us?” stuff. I don’t know where you got that false concept of the middle of Daniel’s 70th week. Do you ever post the person’s quote, when you say things like that. The moon and stars clearly come before the coming and the gathering. I have read Matt. 24 and the order is:

1. the sun and moon of Matt. 24:29;
2. the Coming of the Lord – 24:30; and
3. the gathering of the saints.

And I would place Armmageddon after His coming.

--Herb Evans

 

Chart of Revelation

Herb,

I have as much a right to "pontificate" as you. So please "lay off"!

Your rationalizing does not make ONE Day mean “DayS”.
The following events either happen or “have happened”
as of the last day. They climax on the same 12-Hour-Day.

Jesus puts His coming on ONE day after great tribulation!
Revelation limits God’s wrath to Seal 6’s Day of Wrath!!
A Word launches the Signs of that ONE Day: Gegonen!!!
Mark 13:24; Rev.6:17; Rev.16:16. "Gegonen; Perfect Indic.


This Word launches SIGNS of the Last Day because it is
the only word used in the Perfect Tense to complete this
age and the age to come! Rev.21:6. This Perfect Tense
represents past action with present results!! These signs
begin events of the Day of Wrath until which Day God’s
”long-suffering and forbearance continue”!!! Rom.2:4-5.

With God’s Decree in the Perfect Tense, 100 verses in
Revelation start to be fulfilled using the Past Tense of
ginomai - #1096! After the Decree shows the End of the
Age “had become a reality”, all occurrences of ginomai
are in the Past Tense!! Therefore Rev.16:12-17 anticipates Rev.6:12-17and egeneto/egenonto, became, occurs over
30 times; and the word for “has come” occurs 7 times!!!

Past Tense used Over and Over for the Last Day’s Events:

1. Mystery of God “was finished” prior to the (3½) days
in which the 7th Trumpet is “about to sound”. Rev.10:7.
2. The last Plagues had finished God’s patience. Rev.15:1.
(The sole uses in Revelation of telew (#2064) in the Past
Tense are these two regarding the “completion of God’s
Mystery and of 7 last Plagues of God’s thumos (anger)”.
3. Armies of Beast had invaded Armageddon. Rev.16:16.
4. The last of 7 Plagues had emptied in the air. Rev.16:17.
5. Two Witnesses had gone up to heaven. Rev.11:12.
6. Many were terrified but had glorified God. Rev.11:13.
7. #4,#5 occurred at same hour as great quake of Rev.6:12.
8. It had killed 7000 of the Beast’s elite guard. Rev.11:13.
9. 2nd woe to kill a third of mankind had passed; 3rd woe, 7th Trumpet, comes quickly (present tense)! Rev.11:14.
[The present tense of 11:14, “last woe is coming quickly”,
bridges what had happened up to the 7th Trumpet and what
is about to occur “quickly” with 3 blasts of the 7th Trumpet.
Seals 6-7 open and the 7th Trumpet sounds on the last Day]
10. Events of the Day of Wrath had begun at signs of Seal 6].
11. Next use of “God’s wrath has come” is at the 7th Trumpet!
12. God’s “Hour of Judgment has come”. Rev.14:7.
13. The “Hour to Reap the earth had come”. Rev.14:15.
14. Countless people had come out of great tribulation. 7:14.
15. Angel of Fire has come before God w/saints’ prayers. 8:3.
16. At the first use of God’s “anger and wrath”, Babylon had
fallen and men blasphemed God before Christ destroys them.
17. “All things that happens” on that day occur in the past
tense; except for some “present tense” connecting words.
18. Armies had killed 1/3 of mankind and had gathered to
Armageddon. “Time shall be no longer in the days whenever
the 7th Trumpet is about to sound”. Rev.10:6-7; Rev.11:6-14.
19. Jews had suffered “DayS of Vengeance” since Luke 21:22.
20. “Day of Vengeance” is limited to ONE Day. 2 Thess.1:7-10.

All acts point to crisis on the Last Day. The crisis occurs at the time of God’s “anger and wrath” where the present and future tenses take over! Heaven had opened, Christ descended, the armies had been dressed in fine linen and had followed Him on white horses!! Now, in one verse, a “sharp sword goes out of the Lamb’s mouth that He should smite the nations (Aorist Subjunctive) and He treads the winepress of God’s anger and wrath (present tense) and He shall rule the nations (future tense) with an iron rod”!!! Rev.19:15.

Christ was crowned King of kings and had begun to reign as of the Last Day. Rev.11:15-17. He must first destroy the destroyers of earth, the appointed time for which had come as of Rev.11:18 and fulfillment of which quickly follows with 2 more blasts of the 7th Trumpet! Rev.19:15-21. At the 2nd blast of Last Trump, the Son of Man “gathers the Elect from earth to heaven”!! At a 3rd blast of the “great trumpet, the angels finish gathering us from all of the heavens' extremities; for the Lamb's wedding also has come"!!!
Mark 13:27; Mt.24:31; Rev.19:7.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

And I would place Armmageddon after His coming.

--Herb Evans
Wrong again It is at His coming. Now here is another sign for you to analyze. Now think carefully. Since the sun rose this morning, we are one day closer to the Second Coming than we were this time yesterday.

 

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Friends,

Timing for the word GEGONEN, "It is Done" (Taken from Glossary; Lastday)

GEGONEN - With the last Plague hanging in suspension at the end of this age, "a great voice comes out of the Temple" before the Temple Drama begins. This signals the Day to execute God's wrath. Being in the perfect tense, it summarily authorizes the Lamb to open Seal Six, The Sign of the Day of Wrath. Seal Six opens right after the last of Seven Plagues to reveal God's patience is exhausted and to warn of impending wrath. The Great and Wonderful Sign in Rev.15:1-4 attests to the completion of God's anger and the time has come for the Three-Act Temple Drama. This unique word and Seal Six begin the action in 100 verses of Revelation on the very Day the Lamb rescues 144,000 trophies of His grace. They follow Him wherever He goes before and after He is crowned King of kings and Lord of lords.

Time-wise, therefore, Rev.6:12 to Rev.7:8 and Rev.14:1-15:4 occur before the Temple opens in Rev.15:5 for the second time. Then the Three-Act Temple Drama occurs from Rev.7:9 to Rev.8:5 and from Rev.11:12-19. This means Rev.16:12-17 precedes Rev.6:12-17. In a real sense "Gegonen" coerces the Drama to generate the Cup of anger and wrath that follows.

"Gegonen" occurs twice. Once to open Seal Six for the Lastday’s events. It occurs after the last Plague completes God's long-standing patience with wicked men. God's Day of Wrath waits until the seven last Plagues "finish manifesting God's righteous deeds and reveal His judgments are true and holy." Men refuse to repent. His long-standing patience will explode. Rev.15:1,4.

The 2nd time occurs at the end of the ages. Unquestionably the voice of God Himself! He speaks directly: Gegonan; It is Done. Rev.21:5,6. There is no more Temple then. Martyrs reign 1000 years before heaven's Temple transforms into the eternal New Jerusalem positioned above the new earth. God and the Lamb become its Temple. Rev.21:22. All things have been accomplished. Even death, the last enemy, will have been forever abolished so that the "Son Himself is subject to God that He might be ALL in all things." I Cor.15:26,28.

With the last Plague suspended in midair at the end of this age, "the voice comes out of the Temple" to signal the Lamb to open Seal Six prior to the Temple Drama. As armies are gathered against Jerusalem, the single word coming out of the Temple triggers the Lastday. The days of Great Tribulation, 1260 plus a few days, are finished. Rv.16:12-17; Rv.6:12-17.

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Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Wrong! He touches down on the mount of Olives and it cleaves in two, then the battle, if you want to quibble over words. -- Herb Evans

 

The Koran and Chart of Revelation

Friends, Note the Bible's Influence on the Koran and the Lastday:

Following from “Two Prophets” Published in 1998 to Lastday:
[Taken from closing paragraphs of “Two Prophets”; Lastday]

God's voice had decreed: "It has occurred; it is Done." Seal 6 warns; Seal 7 requires and Trump 7 declares His wrath has come. God speaks a single word, "Gegonen," for the first time in nearly 2,000 years. Rev.16:17.

TRUMP SEVEN is Time's Ultimate Turning Point!

That's why the Two Prophets rise up and return to heaven `whenever Trump Seven is about to sound.' The Angel said Time will End in the days it sounds. Since all Believers rise up on the Lastday, it will sound just before Heaven's Final Scene. For the Elect's sake, the ascent of the Two Prophets cuts short most of Daniel's last thirty days. While their bodies lie inert, more Saints proportionally might be killed than those killed while these Two oppose the Beast. But the gathering of armies to Armageddon may foster a false sense of victory for the Beast. And Trump Seven, the appointed "Time to destroy the destroyers of earth" comes quickly.

The Koran states a belief in the resurrection of Jesus and last judgment.

In the section of Sura they speak of the Al-Mahshar (the gathering at the twinkling of an eye ... 16:79). One of Muhammad's teachers was a Christian who obviously realized the Last Trump sounds twice!

Muslims believe the dead will be gathered at the "first sound" of the trumpet when all but God's people will "swoon." At the "second sound," those who swoon will "stand and look up." There'll be a great quake... 78:18. Jesus Christ, the Koran agrees, will descend at that "Hour." Sura 43:61. Abraham, Moses, Jesus and also Muhammad will be judges at the last judgment.

So naturally, when the Son of Man appears, millions of Muslims will "mourn" and enter into the Kingdom of the Jews with the true Messiah. They already pray 5 times daily. I see them "bowing and confessing that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God" beginning at the moment He appears. They will "mourn at seeing Him and those who pierced Him coming with Him" when the Last, Great Trump sounds the second time. That is my personal translation and application of Rev.1:7; Mark 13:24-27 and Matt.24:29-31.

Check this out in the Judaica Encyclopedia under Islam, Eschatology and Muhammad.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

I thought Gegonan was a Japanese monster. More propaganda. Now, mel is speaking in tongues, and Mel wants to be heard for his much speaking. Discussion is out of it however, since he thinks his commentary is equivalent to scripture. -- Herb Evans

 

As if Mel's propagand isn't convoluted and warped enough, he brings the Koran into it. -- Herb Evans

 

The Evil One

I thought Mel and other Post-Tribs wound be interested in more illogical stuff. Enjoy! -- Herb Evans

IS BARNEY THE EVIL ONE ?

Everyone knows Barney . . . that cute purple dinosaur. But here's something that you may not know:

1. Start with the given: CUTE PURPLE DINOSAUR

2. Change all U's to V's (which is proper Latin anyway) CVTE PVRPLE DINOSAVR

3. Extract all Roman Numerals: C - V- V - L - D- I - V

4. Convert these into Arabic values: 100, 5, 5, 50, 500, 1, 5

5. Add these numbers up:

100
5
5
50
500
1
+ 5
----
666

There you have it. This proves that pre-tribulationism is wrong and that we are going through the tribulation. It is a valid mathematical proof that Barney is the Antichrist!

--Copied and adapted by Herb Evans - with apologies to the originals