Pre-trib rapture

[skypair]

Not interested in that really. I can go to a million websites and see what people believe about the pretrib rapture.. I want to get to the meat of how one derives those beliefs from what Scripture says.
dw -- that IS the issue really, isn't it? You're way beyond being able to "see" NT proof anymore. One word, dw -- ISRAEL

You are NOT Israel! Israel has 4 unconditional covenants with God (Abrahamic, Palestinian, Davidic, New) by which promised on His own Name that He would revive physically and spiritually and give them the land of Israel and rule over the world.

Where do you think the church, Israel's spiritual forerunners and who made Israel jealous, will be while this is going on? In NJ -- heaven -- Rev 4-19! If you can't find the pretrib rapture in the NT, try looking for the church in Israel's tribulation and kingdom passages (Isa 62-66, Dan 11-12, Ezek 36-48, Zech 11-14, etal.)

Without touching on your argument here, let me point out that this is a doctrinal argument, not a contextual one.

Indeed it is! Calvin completely forgot to tell you about Israel. He didn't know how they were saved and he never comprehended that they might be a factor in God's future plans. See, false Israel is still blind to the church and Christ and NT-- and the false church is still blind to the future of Israel! Yeah, you hit the nail on the head -- it IS a doctrinal argument.

skypair

 

[Ed Edwards]

Amen, Brother Skypair -- you are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

 

[EdSutton]

Not interested in that really. I can go to a million websites and see what people believe about the pretrib rapture.. I want to get to the meat of how one derives those beliefs from what Scripture says. Sorry, no offense meant, but I grew up all my life with people telling me what they believed about the pretrib rapture. When I was young, I accepted that. Now that I am older, I don't.



And in those 40 years of study, what in your study led you to those opinions?

Dwmoeller1: //I see the divisions you make. What I don't see is the basis for you making the divisions where you do. Can you give an explanation for dividing where you divide? For instance, why not include vs. 31, 32 with section II instead of putting them with section III?//




Without touching on your argument here, let me point out that this is a doctrinal argument, not a contextual one. You mentioned that the timeline in Matt 24 was contextually based. So let me be more specific: I am curious as to how you made the divisions you did from the context of the passage. Context comes first, so lets establish what the context itself shows us, then we can bring in other passages to clarify/illuminate the passage.

So, contextually how did you determine the splits? Specifically, how did you contextually determine the division between vs. 30 and vs. 31?

I'm another Ed (Two Eds are maybe better than one, as t'other one said once?) but I'll offer a suggestion on how one 'divides' Matt. 24, into four 'splits' from the Scripture. We'll use four words/phrases found there, four "t"s actually. Remember the disciples asked Jesus three questions, which I will also cite (my emphases).

3 And as he sat on the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars; see that ye be not troubled: for these things must needs come to pass; but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines and earthquakes in divers places.
8 But all these things are the beginning of travail (throes - Darby; troubles - WE) .
9 Then shall they deliver you up unto tribulation, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all the nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many stumble, and shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray.
12 And because iniquity shall be multiplied, the love of the many shall wax cold.
13 But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When therefore ye see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let him that readeth understand),
16 then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains:
17 let him that is on the housetop not go down to take out things that are in his house:
18 and let him that is in the field not return back to take his cloak.
19 But woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!
20 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on a sabbath:
21 for then shall be great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is the Christ, or, Here; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Behold, I have told you beforehand.
26 If therefore they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the wilderness; go not forth: Behold, he is in the inner chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh forth from the east, and is seen even unto the west; so shall be the coming of the Son of man.
28 Wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 and then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send forth his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh; 33 even so ye also, when ye see all these things, know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors.
(Matt. 24: 1-32... - ASV)

I underlined the (or at least most of the) "then(s)" and some "and(s)" in the passage to show the progression that the passage entails. Jesus does not, certainly, give all-encompassing details of all future events, but does give a basic outline, IMO. FTR, I see verses 30 and 31 as continuing the progression, after the tribulation.

In v. 32 and 33, however, Jesus injects an object lesson with a parable, vs. continuing the progression, so far. He is asking, in effect, "Do you get it? Here is how you can know."

Ed

 

[dwmoeller1]

dwmoeller1: //Specifically, how did you contextually determine
the division between vs. 30 and vs. 31?//

2 Thessalonians 2:1 (KJV1611 Edition):
Now wee beseech you, brethren,
by the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ,
and by our gathering together vnto him,

Matthew 24:31 (KJV1611 Edition):
And hee shall send his Angels with a great sound
of a trumpet, and they shall gather together
his Elect from the foure windes, from one end
of heauen to the other.

These two verses seem to be speaking of
the same event.

I totally agree. However, this isn't in answer to my question. How do you determine the split based on context. I Thes 4 is not within the context of Matt 24.

Again, how do you determine that the split occurs at this place contextually?

Furthermore, Matthew 24:4-44 is the easiest of the
MOD (mount olivet discourse) readings to see which
of the questions are being answered by what.
Matthew 24 features the polysendton (how about that,
a figure of speach right in a prophecy) 'and' (or in Greek, the
'kai'). Recall that the author of Matthew didn't have
microsoft to make his bullets or outline with -- he used
the polysendton 'kai' ('and' in English, sometimes then, for,
afterwords, but, etc)

Ahh...finally a contextual basis.

First of all, 'kai' is not a polysendton. A polysendton is the repeated use of a conjunction like 'kai' in close succession (specifically, where some might be omitted).

Secondly, a polysendton connects, not seperates. A polysendton is conjuctive. You seem to be turning a conjuctive into a place of disjunction.

Thirdly, while 'kai' is present at the beginning of vs 31, it is not being used as a polysendton (see above definition).

So,
1. Your definition is incorrect
2. You turn the use of 'kai' on its head
3. There isn't even a polysendton present as you claim.

So, maybe you can clarify what you meant to argue, because as it stands its both inaccurate and contrary to fact.

 

[dwmoeller1]

Not interested in that really. I can go to a million websites and see what people believe about the pretrib rapture.. I want to get to the meat of how one derives those beliefs from what Scripture says.
dw -- that IS the issue really, isn't it? You're way beyond being able to "see" NT proof anymore. One word, dw -- ISRAEL

So, you see while I am blind? Skypair, your seeming arrogance is really starting to grate on my nerves. Please desist with ad hominems and 'more spiritual than thou' statements. Make an argument or don't - no need to take a position of superiority.

You are NOT Israel! Israel has 4 unconditional covenants with God (Abrahamic, Palestinian, Davidic, New) by which promised on His own Name that He would revive physically and spiritually and give them the land of Israel and rule over the world.

Since its not really the subject, I shall merely refer you to Rom 9:6-8, and gal 3:29.

Where do you think the church, Israel's spiritual forerunners and who made Israel jealous, will be while this is going on? In NJ -- heaven -- Rev 4-19! If you can't find the pretrib rapture in the NT, try looking for the church in Israel's tribulation and kingdom passages (Isa 62-66, Dan 11-12, Ezek 36-48, Zech 11-14, etal.)

Where does the pretrib rapture appear in those passages? Please explain.

Indeed it is! Calvin completely forgot to tell you about Israel. He didn't know how they were saved and he never comprehended that they might be a factor in God's future plans. See, false Israel is still blind to the church and Christ and NT-- and the false church is still blind to the future of Israel! Yeah, you hit the nail on the head -- it IS a doctrinal argument.

skypair

Yeah, of course Calvin never told me about anything like that...I have never read more than a lick of Calvin. What I am interested in is where it is found in Scripture.

As to the doctrinal argument goes, exegesis must ultimately come before doctrine. So, where is your starting point in establishing the doctrine? I am trying to get us to go back to first principles and suppositions and start from there.

 

[dwmoeller1]

I'm another Ed (Two Eds are maybe better than one, as t'other one said once?) but I'll offer a suggestion on how one 'divides' Matt. 24, into four 'splits' from the Scripture. We'll use four words/phrases found there, four "t"s actually. Remember the disciples asked Jesus three questions, which I will also cite (my emphases). I underlined the (or at least most of the) "then(s)" and some "and(s)" in the passage to show the progression that the passage entails. Jesus does not, certainly, give all-encompassing details of all future events, but does give a basic outline, IMO. FTR, I see verses 30 and 31 as continuing the progression, after the tribulation.

No disagreements there. But now I am curious, what 'side' is your argument intended to support?

In v. 32 and 33, however, Jesus injects an object lesson with a parable, vs. continuing the progression, so far. He is asking, in effect, "Do you get it? Here is how you can know."

Ed

How you can know what?

 

[skypair]

So, you see while I am blind? Skypair, your seeming arrogance is really starting to grate on my nerves. Please desist with ad hominems and 'more spiritual than thou' statements. Make an argument or don't - no need to take a position of superiority.

dw -- you ARE beyond being able to be convinced by NT scripture. That is not an attack or an ad hominem. How many passages have you already "turned down?" So take a look at Israel

Since its not really the subject, I shall merely refer you to Rom 9:6-8, and gal 3:29.

So you are saying what? that God won't keep His promises? or that we are going to convert to Judaism before the MK? I don't know where this leaves Israel in your "book" but God only deals with one "chosen people" at a time. So if all you see is the church, then you don't see Israel. If you see Israel converted in the trib, then you don't see the church -- cause they're not coming into the church. dw.

Where does the pretrib rapture appear in those passages? Please explain.

I'm asking you to look for the church in those passages. Pretrib rapture by absence of the church.

So, where is your starting point in establishing the doctrine? I am trying to get us to go back to first principles and suppositions and start from there.

Well, I appreciate that. But we apparently can't take our first steps in the NT -- you've rejected all that has been offered. That's the gist of your challenge -- that no one can show you pretrib in NT scripture.

I feel like I need to start a thread on the parables and mysteries of the NT so that you and others may "see" the complete plan. There really is a lot of revelation of the pretrib rapture in the parables and it is a mystery. Maybe that is the approach that would work.


skypair

 

[Ed Edwards]

Dwmoeller1: //Again, how do you determine that the split occurs at this place contextually?//

If context means Matthew 24:4-44 then the context doesn't
indicate a split there.

If context means Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21,
then I've answered the question.

Whomever: //You are NOT Israel! Israel has 4 unconditional covenants with God (Abrahamic, Palestinian, Davidic, New) by which promised on His own Name that He would revive physically and spiritually and give them the land of Israel and rule over the world.

Dwmoeller1: //Since its not really the subject, I shall
merely refer you to Rom 9:6-8, and gal 3:29.//

Ah, but it is the subject. God's plan to redeem all the Jews
involves both the Church and the Pretribulation rapture/resurrection
of it as well as the 7-year-Tribulation period.

Speaking of Romans 9:6-8, here it is in the KJV1769 Edition:
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect.
For they are not all Israel which are of Israel:
7 Neither because they are the seed of Abraham
are they all children: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh,
these are not the children of God: but the children
of the promise are counted for the seed.

I'll get back with you all on the pretribulation chapter of Romans:
Romans 11 -- well God willin' and if the crick don't rise.

 

[skypair]

Amen, Brother Skypair -- you are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

Thank you, Ed. I wasn't ignoring your post earlier either -- it was, rather, my inspiration.

To me, Calvinism and anti-dispensationalism go hand-in-hand. I'm betting I don't get an answer as to what the future of Israel is out of dw. If he had to admit it, he'd also have to look for a pretrib rapture.

skypair

 

[Ed Edwards]

Dwmoeller1 to EdSutton: //But now I am curious,
what 'side' is your argument intended to support?//

Sutton's Doctrine of Eschatology.

Did anybody ever remind us of the Baptist Distinctives?

Here they are
(picked up somewhere else, I didn't make it up):

* Biblical authority
* Autonomy of the local church
* Priesthood of all believers
* Two ordinances (baptism and communion)
* Individual soul liberty
* Separation of Church and State
* Two offices of the church (pastor and deacon)

The two bolded bolded distinctives mean in this matter:
Each Baptist individual who is competent has to figure
out their own eschatology.

I like the guy who says he is a 'Pan-millinnialist' --
Jesus is in charge and the future will pan out just as
God intended.

 

[dwmoeller1]

dw -- you ARE beyond being able to be convinced by NT scripture. That is not an attack or an ad hominem. How many passages have you already "turned down?" So take a look at Israel

Name one verses I have 'turned down'.

So you are saying what? that God won't keep His promises? or that we are going to convert to Judaism before the MK? I don't know where this leaves Israel in your "book" but God only deals with one "chosen people" at a time. So if all you see is the church, then you don't see Israel. If you see Israel converted in the trib, then you don't see the church -- cause they're not coming into the church. dw.

*I* didn't say anything. I merely referred you to those verses. If you see those verses as saying God won't keep His promises, then your argument is with Paul, not me.

I'm asking you to look for the church in those passages. Pretrib rapture by absence of the church.

This is what is known as the fallacy of 'argument from silence'. One simply can't derive a positive argument based simply on what a passage does not mention.

Well, I appreciate that. But we apparently can't take our first steps in the NT -- you've rejected all that has been offered. That's the gist of your challenge -- that no one can show you pretrib in NT scripture.

Again, name one passage I have rejected. Do I reject conclusions drawn from passages that are fallacious? Certainly - and so should you. You must start from first principles rather than simply jumping into the middle.

Ok, lets start with your claim that Israel and the Church are totally seperate - the verses I provided seem to suggest otherwise, but lets set that aside for now and assume your claim is true.

Now, starting from there, show your reasons, WITHOUT resorting to fallacy and using Scripture, for seeing the pretrib rapture in Scripture. Remember, I will not accept claims simply because you repeat them. Show where Scriptures *says* what you claim for it. Can you do that?

I feel like I need to start a thread on the parables and mysteries of the NT so that you and others may "see" the complete plan. There really is a lot of revelation of the pretrib rapture in the parables and it is a mystery. Maybe that is the approach that would work.

Where in Scripture is the rapture referred to as a mystery?

 

[dwmoeller1]

Dwmoeller1: //Again, how do you determine that the split occurs at this place contextually?//

If context means Matthew 24:4-44 then the context doesn't
indicate a split there.

Ok...glad we got that settled. Let me repeat it - there is no contextual reason to see a split where you do.

If context means Gen 1:1 to Rev 22:21,
then I've answered the question.

Context never means such a broad range of materials, writers, historical time periods, concepts, etc. Context always referring to the immediate vicinity of a passage - either its immediate vicinity in time (historical context) or it immediate vicinity in the text (textual context). Context would certainly never be seen as extending beyond a certain book of the Bible. Don't believe me - go ask a expert on interpretation.

On the basis of established rules of interpretation, one must first seek to understand what is being said in the immediate context before one seeks to bring other passage into play. Yes, Scripture interepts Scripture, but the Scripture which is most significant in helping interpret a passage is the Scripture immediately surrounding (ie. the context) the passage.

Dwmoeller1: //Since its not really the subject, I shall
merely refer you to Rom 9:6-8, and gal 3:29.//

Ah, but it is the subject. God's plan to redeem all the Jews
involves both the Church and the Pretribulation rapture/resurrection
of it as well as the 7-year-Tribulation period.

So is this your starting point of reasoning?

 

[Ed Edwards]

Dwmoeller1: //First of all, 'kai' is not a polysendton.
A polysendton is the repeated use
of a conjunction like 'kai' in close succession
(specifically, where some might be omitted).//

That is one definition of polysyndton, but not the only
definition of 'polysyndton'.

I used to wonder why in Chapter one of Genesis nerarly every
verse started with 'And'. My 4th grade teacher taught me
"Never start a sentence with 'and'."

IMHO in the Greek of Matthew 24 'and' is used frequently
instead of (as in Microsoft) Bullets.

Dwmoeller1:

So,
1. Your definition is incorrect
2. You turn the use of 'kai' on its head
3. There isn't even a polysendton present as you claim.

So, maybe you can clarify what you meant to argue, because as it stands its both inaccurate and contrary to fact.

Three strikes and you are out.

Yep, the difference between post-trib and pre-trib
hinges on the meaning of 'and' in Matthew 24:31.

The difference between post-trib and pre-trib
hinges on the meaning of 'and' in 2 Thess 2:1

The difference between post-trib and pre-trib
hinges on the meaning of '&' in Revelation 20:4

The difference between Aminianistic hope on the one hand
and Calvinistic dispar on the other hand depends
on what 'and' means.

I find it totally amasing that most post-tribs
are anti-OSAS and most pre-tribs are pro-OSAS??

OSAS = once saved, always saved, AKA: security
of the believer, AKA: preservation of the saints

 

[Ed Edwards]

Dwmoeller1: //Where in Scripture is the rapture referred to as a mystery?//

Ah, I have that in my yet unposted 'Mysteries of the Faith'
prove pre-trib:

----------------------
...
3. Mystery of the Rapture

1 Chrinthians 15:51a (NIV):
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep,
but we will all be changed -- ...

1 Thessalonians 4:14,16

Titus 2:13 (nKJV):
looking for the blessed hope and
glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jeus
Christ

Of course, such a rapture must be
the pretrib rapture/resurrection
when 100s of millions of saints are still alive,
not the post-trib rapture/resurrection,
for after the tribulation there will only be a few
handfuls of living saints, maybe a couple of
thousand..
...
----------------------

 

[dwmoeller1]

Dwmoeller1: //Where in Scripture is the rapture referred to as a mystery?//

Ah, I have that in my yet unposted 'Mysteries of the Faith'
prove pre-trib:

----------------------
...
3. Mystery of the Rapture

1 Chrinthians 15:51a (NIV):
Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep,
but we will all be changed -- ...

The mystery stated here is explicity 'we will not all sleep, but we all shall be changed'. IOW, the passage states very clearly what the mystery is - the transformation to glorified bodies. That is the mystery.

Now, does this take place at the rapture? Yes. BUT, the passage does not say that the rapture itself is a mystery - merely that one aspect of the rapture is a mystery.

Like I keep saying: What does Scripture *SAY*. In this pasage it says that the transformation is a mystery, it does not say that the rapture (or its timing) is a mystery.

1 Thessalonians 4:14,16

And this passage says nothing at all about any mystery.

So I ask again: What passage speaks of the rapture as being a mystery?

 

[dwmoeller1]

Dwmoeller1: //First of all, 'kai' is not a polysendton.
A polysendton is the repeated use
of a conjunction like 'kai' in close succession
(specifically, where some might be omitted).//

That is one definition of polysyndton, but not the only
definition of 'polysyndton'.

Ok. Please refer me to a source which gives a different definition.

I used to wonder why in Chapter one of Genesis nerarly every
verse started with 'And'. My 4th grade teacher taught me
"Never start a sentence with 'and'."

That English grammar which is largely based on Latin grammar, not greek. Syntax and grammar in the greek doesn't follow those rules. Don't apply English rules to greek. Now, refer me to source which says that this is unusual or 'incorrect' grammar in the greek and I will consider your reasoning more carefully.

IMHO in the Greek of Matthew 24 'and' is used frequently
instead of (as in Microsoft) Bullets.

What are your credentials in the understanding of greek syntax and grammar? Are there other Scripture examples where this is the case?

Without that, I am sorry but I have little reason to accept YHO as valid. I could just as well say "IMHO, there is water on the moon." There might be and there might not be, but regardless MO on the matter, no matter how H it may be, is not worth much.

Dwmoeller1:
Three strikes and you are out.

While I await your referring me to a source which shows that my definition of polysendton is limited, we will set this aside.

 

[EdSutton]

No disagreements there. But now I am curious, what 'side' is your argument intended to support?

Not particularly intending to support any "side", per se, just showing the fairly obvious divisions in the chapter we are discussing.

How you can know what?

That is not a quote, nevertheless you are kidding, right? Read the verse without any pre-conceived agenda, and the next verse, where Jesus says -

32 Now from the fig tree learn her parable: when her branch is now become tender, and putteth forth its leaves, ye know that the summer is nigh; 33 even so ye also, when ye see all these things, know ye that he is nigh, even at the doors. (Mt. 24:32-33 - ASV)

Just as you know that summer is approaching when the fig tree sprouts, you will know that Jesus is Coming © "when you see all these things". What things? Obviously the things he has just been taklking about. And when this occurs, it is very near, "even at the doors!"

Ed

 

[Ed Edwards]

look at post #62 on this page:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=670602

.

See also post #63:

--------------------
Regarding "day" in 2 Peter 3:10.

in my dictionary:
"7. a time considered as
propitious or opportune"

So i believe the day of the Lord
to be the appropriate time that
our blessed Lord and Savior,
Messiah Jesus will once again
interfere in the affairs of mankind.

In the early 60s (i was 21 so an adult
in 1964) Russia and the USA finaly had
enough nuclear weapons to kill all
humans on earth and possibly all life
on earth. Someone surely needs to
interfere in the affairs of humankind.

Because Revelation 19-20 gives
a true time-line for this, we
see that "Day of the Lord" must
exceed 1,000 years.

So it does not surprise me when i
find the "day the Lord comes" is
seven years long.

BTW there is also an 8-hour work day.
There is a 24-hour day at one place
on the earth. There is a 48-hour
day (the length of a day at all points
on the earth). I've not seen the
48-hour day mentioned in any dictionary.

 

[EdSutton]

Webster defines polysyndeton as "using many conjunctions". As there are over 40 used in Matt. 24:1-35, I'd say that fits that bill, wouldn't you?

Ed

 

[Ed Edwards]

polysyndton


dwmoeller1: //Like I keep saying: What does Scripture *SAY*.
In this pasage it says that the transformation is a mystery,
it does not say that the rapture (or its timing) is a mystery.//

I appologize that God didn't choose to put in
a verse built to your specifications.

dwmoeller1: //So I ask again: What passage speaks
of the rapture as being a mystery?//

The two passages I took taken together.
That English grammar which is largely based on Latin grammar, not greek. Syntax and grammar in the greek doesn't follow those rules. Don't apply English rules to greek. Now, refer me to source which says that this is unusual or 'incorrect' grammar in the greek and I will consider your reasoning more carefully.

1. I wasn't trying to show 'incorrect' grammar.

2. Tee hee. Look, look, look - The Latin follows the Greek Grammar:
latin 'et' = English 'and'


Matthew 24:3-44 (The Latin Vulgate )

3 sedente autem eo super montem Oliveti accesserunt ad eum discipuli secreto dicentes dic nobis quando haec erunt et quod signum adventus tui et consummationis saeculi

24:4
et respondens Iesus dixit eis videte ne quis vos seducat

24:5
multi enim venient in nomine meo dicentes ego sum Christus et multos seducent

24:6
audituri autem estis proelia et opiniones proeliorum videte ne turbemini oportet enim haec fieri sed nondum est finis

24:7
consurget enim gens in gentem et regnum in regnum et erunt pestilentiae et fames et terraemotus per loca

24:8
haec autem omnia initia sunt dolorum

24:9
tunc tradent vos in tribulationem et occident vos et eritis odio omnibus gentibus propter nomen meum

24:10
et tunc scandalizabuntur multi et invicem tradent et odio habebunt invicem

24:11
et multi pseudoprophetae surgent et seducent multos

24:12
et quoniam abundabit iniquitas refrigescet caritas multorum

24:13
qui autem permanserit usque in finem hic salvus erit

24:14
et praedicabitur hoc evangelium regni in universo orbe in testimonium omnibus gentibus et tunc veniet consummatio

24:15
cum ergo videritis abominationem desolationis quae dicta est a Danihelo propheta stantem in loco sancto qui legit intellegat

24:16
tunc qui in Iudaea sunt fugiant ad montes

24:17
et qui in tecto non descendat tollere aliquid de domo sua

24:18
et qui in agro non revertatur tollere tunicam suam

24:19
vae autem praegnatibus et nutrientibus in illis diebus

24:20
orate autem ut non fiat fuga vestra hieme vel sabbato

24:21
erit enim tunc tribulatio magna qualis non fuit ab initio mundi usque modo neque fiet

24:22
et nisi breviati fuissent dies illi non fieret salva omnis caro sed propter electos breviabuntur dies illi

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tunc si quis vobis dixerit ecce hic Christus aut illic nolite credere

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surgent enim pseudochristi et pseudoprophetae et dabunt signa magna et prodigia ita ut in errorem inducantur si fieri potest etiam electi

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ecce praedixi vobis

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si ergo dixerint vobis ecce in deserto est nolite exire ecce in penetrabilibus nolite credere

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sicut enim fulgur exit ab oriente et paret usque in occidente ita erit et adventus Filii hominis

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ubicumque fuerit corpus illuc congregabuntur aquilae

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statim autem post tribulationem dierum illorum sol obscurabitur et luna non dabit lumen suum et stellae cadent de caelo et virtutes caelorum commovebuntur

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et tunc parebit signum Filii hominis in caelo et tunc plangent omnes tribus terrae et videbunt Filium hominis venientem in nubibus caeli cum virtute multa et maiestate

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et mittet angelos suos cum tuba et voce magna et congregabunt electos eius a quattuor ventis a summis caelorum usque ad terminos eorum

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ab arbore autem fici discite parabolam cum iam ramus eius tener fuerit et folia nata scitis quia prope est aestas

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ita et vos cum videritis haec omnia scitote quia prope est in ianuis

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amen dico vobis quia non praeteribit haec generatio donec omnia haec fiant

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caelum et terra transibunt verba vero mea non praeteribunt

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de die autem illa et hora nemo scit neque angeli caelorum nisi Pater solus

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sicut autem in diebus Noe ita erit et adventus Filii hominis

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sicut enim erant in diebus ante diluvium comedentes et bibentes nubentes et nuptum tradentes usque ad eum diem quo introivit in arcam Noe

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et non cognoverunt donec venit diluvium et tulit omnes ita erit et adventus Filii hominis

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tunc duo erunt in agro unus adsumetur et unus relinquetur

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duae molentes in mola una adsumetur et una relinquetur

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vigilate ergo quia nescitis qua hora Dominus vester venturus sit

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illud autem scitote quoniam si sciret pater familias qua hora fur venturus esset vigilaret utique et non sineret perfodiri domum suam

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ideoque et vos estote parati quia qua nescitis hora Filius hominis venturus est