re: 3x church thread

[standingfirminChrist]

More from the same law books from Va.

Every man and woman duly, twice a day upon the first tolling of the bell, shall upon the working days repair unto the church to hear divine service upon pain of losing his or her day's allowance for the first omission, for the second to be whipped, and for the third to be condemned to the galleys for six months. Likewise, no man or woman shall dare to violate or break the Sabbath by any gaming, public or private abroad or at home, but duly sanctify and observe the same, both himself and his family, by preparing themselves at home with private prayer that they may be the better fitted for the public, according to the commandments of God and the orders of our church. As also every man and woman shall repair in the morning to the divine service and sermons preached upon the Sabbath day in the afternoon to divine service and catechizing, upon pain for the first fault to lose their provision and allowance for the whole week following, for the second to lose the said allowance and also to be whipped, and for the third to suffer death.

Colony laws

 

[ccrobinson]

If someone doesn't share your view on a topic, then compare him to a mass murdering antichrist.

Sounds like Godwin's Law.

 

[tinytim]

More from the same law books from Va.

Colony laws

I don't want to comment on your statements.. I just want to say I like your new picture.. I love that beard! I wish I could grow one like that.
Nice picture...:wavey:

 

[tinytim]

More from the same law books from Va.

Colony laws

And I suppose people were more godly when made to come to church than when they want to.

Constantine tried to do the same thing...
So did the popes in the crusades...

It is impossible to force someone to be Godly.
It is only by the drawing of the Holy Spirit.

It is not making anyone more Godly to brow beat them to church...
Of course I want everyone to attend every service... but it is not hurting me, it is hurting them... and this is what I teach... but they have a choice.

And sometimes things come up that keeps someone from church... that is life.

And if they are coming for the wrong reason it does them no good...
For instance, if they are coming out of fear... they are being selfish...
They are trying to appease an angry God in order to save their flesh... that is selfish, and the wrong reason to serve God.

Just like trying to scare someone to Christ.
If you got saved because you didn't want to go to Hell, was you not thinking about yourself?... which is selfish.

OUCH! That hurt.

A person must want a relationship with God.
Did you get that, a relationship, not regulations...
a list of do's and don'ts will never produce a relationship...

If you don't believe me, look at the OT...
That is the reason Jesus came, because the list of 10 didn't produce life...
They produce death...

We should learn something.
If we want to produce death, then go ahead and bind your people to rules and regulations that you make up... (The early church didn't meet daily in a church building, church buildings didn't exist.. they fellowshipped in fellow Christians houses)

If you want to produce life, preach grace and forgiveness, and point to the love of Christ....

 

[rbell]

yep.

There's a reason that those "colony laws" never saw the light of day in our New Republic.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Sure is, rbell.

It is because the people wanted to live for self instead of for God.

 

[tinytim]

yep.

There's a reason that those "colony laws" never saw the light of day in our New Republic.

And one of our baptist distinctives is seperation of church and state.
Those were not Baptists...

They are more popish...
or is that popeish...
or....

Papal!! yeah that's it.

 

[tinytim]

Sure is, rbell.

It is because the people wanted to live for self instead of for God.

Are you saying we should go back to then?

 

[StefanM]

By chance would the church to which the thread is referring be an Anglican church?

Oops! No Baptist services for us!

 

[standingfirminChrist]

And I suppose people were more godly when made to come to church than when they want to.

Constantine tried to do the same thing...
So did the popes in the crusades...

It is impossible to force someone to be Godly.
It is only by the drawing of the Holy Spirit.

It is not making anyone more Godly to brow beat them to church...
Of course I want everyone to attend every service... but it is not hurting me, it is hurting them... and this is what I teach... but they have a choice.

And sometimes things come up that keeps someone from church... that is life.

And if they are coming for the wrong reason it does them no good...
For instance, if they are coming out of fear... they are being selfish...
They are trying to appease an angry God in order to save their flesh... that is selfish, and the wrong reason to serve God.

Just like trying to scare someone to Christ.
If you got saved because you didn't want to go to Hell, was you not thinking about yourself?... which is selfish.

OUCH! That hurt.

A person must want a relationship with God.
Did you get that, a relationship, not regulations...
a list of do's and don'ts will never produce a relationship...

If you don't believe me, look at the OT...
That is the reason Jesus came, because the list of 10 didn't produce life...
They produce death...

We should learn something.
If we want to produce death, then go ahead and bind your people to rules and regulations that you make up... (The early church didn't meet daily in a church building, church buildings didn't exist.. they fellowshipped in fellow Christians houses)

If you want to produce life, preach grace and forgiveness, and point to the love of Christ....

It isn't all about grace and forgiveness, tim. It is about judgment as well. It is about commandments as well. People have no fear of God any more because liberal preachers have stopped preaching judgment from the pulpits.

Look at the passage in Hebrews 10. Paul does not just stop at 'Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.' No, he carries the thought on and says 'For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.' Paul called it a sin to forsake the assembling together of the saints, and he included himself in this when he said 'ourselves,' and 'we'.

It is imperative that the members of the body meet as often as God allows the doors to be opened. We are a witness to the lost and dying world. And what do they see when the one claiming to be of Christ does not attend services?

It paints a picture of one who does not care about the family of God. How can one strengthen one who is weak if one is not being fed enough to strengthen one's own self?

 

[tinytim]

I think we all agree that Christians need to be in church.
It is the techniques on how to relay this message to the people that we are disagreeing over...
To say a person must quit a job in order to attend a Wed. service is ridiculous...
And it is the Christian's responsibility to be fed daily.

I see what is happening, so many want to rely on their pastors to spoon feed them, and the pastors love the authority...

It is all about pride.

I am a pastor not a dictator...

 

[standingfirminChrist]

(The early church didn't meet daily in a church building, church buildings didn't exist.. they fellowshipped in fellow Christians houses)

Better get out your Bible and study, tim. The early Church met daily in the temple.

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

They met daily in the temple for worship and dined together in houses .

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I don't want to comment on your statements.. I just want to say I like your new picture.. I love that beard! I wish I could grow one like that.
Nice picture...:wavey:

That pic is about 3 months old. I have one that is updated (taken yesterday) but not sure how to update it on this new layout.

 

[tinytim]

Better get out your Bible and study, tim. The early Church met daily in the temple.

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

They met daily in the temple for worship and dined together in houses .

Thanks I had overlooked that.
BTW, how did 8000 meet at the temple everyday?

 

[tinytim]

That pic is about 3 months old. I have one that is updated (taken yesterday) but not sure how to update it on this new layout.

I still like that beard!
I can't get anything to grow but a scrawny goatee!

 

[standingfirminChrist]

must have been a big temple. But the Word says they continued daily in the temple and in breaking of bread from house to house... with singleness of heart.

That singleness of heart means they all agreed that they should be daily in the temple and fellowship.

Do you see that in the Church today?

As pastors, we are to exhort people to be in Church as often as possible. If they signed a membership roster, they agreed to certain bylaws of the Church. Support was the most important, IMO. And support is not just financially, but also physical. There is a responsibility of the pastor to preach attendance and there is also a responsibility of the member to attend.

 

[rbell]

You gotta define "early church."

Obviously after AD 70, nobody met in the temple.

After there were other churches besides the one in Jerusalem, other meeting places besides the temple were needed.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

And I am sure other places were provided as needed.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

In Romans 16:5; 1 Corinthians 16:19; Colossians 4:15; and Philemon 1:2, we see a Church being in a household. But that does not mean that there were not other Churches in buildings constructed for that purpose as well.

Paul wrote in 1 Timothy 3:5 that if a man could not rule his own house, how shall he take care of the Church of God? It is evident from this Scripture that the Church was not just in the house.

 

[tinytim]

Church refered to the congregation.. not the building...
they met in catacombs later... It doesn't matter where North Mill Creek Baptist church meets, it is still a church, and I am her pastor...