If man's spirit is dead then what quickens man's flesh? you can bet on mans spirit being very much alive as long as the man is alive. We cannot live with out our spirit.
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Regeneration before faith can it be proven?
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Yes I am and God's word never call's Him Sovereign. The word sovereign has been added to your particular version by man. Calvinist now use this word to support what they call man's inability there is no such thing as inability to come to God,in man
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I have shown you many times that you are wrong and you're so blind you can't see it. [edited]
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Particular
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Is God wrong?
Ephesians 2:1-3 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
This isn't a matter of "if man's spirit is dead", it is a matter of "since man's spirit is dead."
Man cannot and will not choose to run toward God. Man cannot and will not repent and submit to God. Man will, by his very nature, rebel and hate God's supremacy. Unless God chooses to intervene in a human's life, that person will naturally be antagonistic toward God and rebel.
It is a foolish, biblically false, claim to suggest that men willfully choose God. Men do not.
God must quicken their, dead in trespasses and sins, spirit and regenerate what was lost.
2 Corinthians 5:13-21 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised. From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Particular
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English Bible translations don’t often employ the word sovereign to describe God. The most frequent place is in the NIV rendering of Ezekiel, which uses the phrase “the Sovereign LORD” more than 200 times. But the Hebrew for that phrase is more accurately translated “LORD Yahweh” or “King Yahweh.” Most English Bibles oddly follow the tradition of translating the personal name of God as “LORD” in all capital letters, which means they have to find another word to translate what would normally be “Lord,” lest they translate it “Lord LORD.” Thus, we get “the Sovereign LORD,” an accurate paraphrase but not an exact translation. (Notably, the ESV renders the phrase “the Lord GOD.”)
Is ‘Sovereign’ the Best Descriptor for God?
Reformed1689
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Actually you are the one against scripture.
MB
This is not actual translation "“the Sovereign LORD" Literal translation is," the Lord God" Just like JW's the translation you use is not accurate to the original or the literal translation. If God were in sovereign control as Calvinist suggest. Then God would be responsible for sin. Do you blame God for your sins?
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Reformed1689
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There can be no rebuttal accepted by the ignorant.
MB
Reformed1689
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Reformed1689
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That's right ! I have shown time and time again that you are ignorant
Hehehehehehehehehehehe.
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Reformed1689
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Ok, I probably didn't handle this in the proper manner the last time.
You're getting triggered by this word. And I can understand that some - not all - Calvinists on this forum have hijacked the word to mean control over every little action of absolutely every creature. But that is not what the word actually means. The synonym is lord. Now I guess the NLT could have translated it Lord LORD, but that just sounds bad. So, it chose Sovereign LORD. YLT seems to have chosen Jehovah instead of LORD. And so, Lord JEHOVAH doesn't sound as bad.
I forgot that you got triggered by this or I wouldn't have bothered to post.
But go ahead and read it in the YLT. It's narrative so the meaning is harder to change.
Ezekiel 11:18-21
What is the order here? Regeneration and then faith? Or faith then regeneration?
Reformed1689
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Exactly. Although, we should note, he has the ability to do that.
There can be no regeneration with out faith. There is no example of regeneration before faith in scripture. However there are several examples of faith before Salvation and salvation is regeneration.
I'm not triggered by the word Sovereign. It's just not in scripture. Using it distorts the word of God It reads "Lord God" in the literal. There is no logical reason to change it. Sovereign maybe what God will be in the end but for now this world is ruled by Satan. Other wise God is responsible for the sins of man.
MB