Rick Warren's Wacky environmental agenda

[standingfirminChrist]

Rick Warren's plan to change the world.

And let’s not forget that back in September of 2002 Warren told the Baptist Press “the goal of The Purpose Driven Life is to help people develop a heart for the world."

Warren: "I'm looking at a stadium full of people who are telling God they will do whatever it takes to establish God's Kingdom 'on earth as it is in heaven.”

So, doing his impersonation of Nimrod, pastor Warren stands before thousands of cheering fans telling GOD what they’re GOING to do. Quite the antithesis of Biblical obedience and humility, wouldn’t you say? Especially since he doesn’t really say what God he is referring to. I was taught that it was intended to be the other way around; that God was supposed to tell US what to do. I guess that’s the price we fundies pay for choosing old-fashioned scripture over new age, help-yourself books like The Purpose Driven Life. In fact, the Old Testament speaks of another individual from long ago who became infamous for his many proud “I wills.” By the way; he also has a plan for a kingdom on Earth.

“Change the world?” Isn’t that what John Lennon sang about in his song “Revolution” with Yoko Ono by his side? Are you seeing a pattern here yet? No, you won’t find any directive in the scriptures where Jesus or any of the disciples ever instructed us to “change the world.” In fact, the Bible teaches something completely different:

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1st John 2:15-17

Taken from the article 'Gathering or Scattering?' by Paul Proctor

For the rest of the article in which he exposes the singing of Purple Haze at Angel Stadium, CLICK HERE

 

[Boanerges]

quote:

"PURPLE HAZE

But before he made the announcement, he decided to have some fun and surprised the audience when he said, “I’ve always wanted to do in this stadium.” He then sang an impersonation of Jimi Hendrix’s hit song, Purple Haze. As the audience erupted into laughter, the church band joined in playing back up to it."

http://www.ksgn.com/extras/saddleback.asp

So it appears that Rick actually rehearsed this before playing it at the stadium. That would constitute pre-meditated foolishness and poor spiritual discernment.

The only laughing that I would have been doing, was at the freedom that I was feeling as I ran from the stadium to find a new pastor to sit under for teaching.

 

[Boanerges]

Nice article SFIC. Did you read this one:

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/PressReleasekenblanchard.htm

Welcome to the new age church

 

[bjonson]

I have posted quotes from Rick Warren's materials that show he mishandles scripture but none of the diehard RW supporters have ever acknowledged it. It really cracks me up. This guy has quite a hold on you folks...

Beware: Rick Warren is moving evangelicalism in the wrong direction. We need discernment in our churches once again...

 

[Boanerges]

http://www.letusreason.org/Popteac26.htm

 

[DeadMan]

WOW, I have to say Rick really is wrong on this stuff. But, and I don't mean any disrespect to anyone living in that state, he does live in California. Being from there myself, I know the type well.

 

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Martin:
Great article by Steve Camp.

Warren's wacky environmental agenda

Great article!

 

[webdog]

Originally posted by DeadMan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by webdog:
Stewardship is not important? psst...it is!

Isn't. </font>[/QUOTE]Then you must not know what God says about stewardship.

Gen 1:28 God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and every creature that crawls on the earth."
Gen 1:29 God also said, "Look, I have given you every seed-bearing plant on the surface of the entire earth, and every tree whose fruit contains seed. This food will be for you,
Gen 1:30 for all the wildlife of the earth, for every bird of the sky, and for every creature that crawls on the earth--everything having the breath of life in it. I have given every green plant for food." And it was so.

 

[webdog]

Originally posted by Boanerges:
It appears that someone was confused John:

quote:

SMITH: “We went to my room. And I asked him if I could read. He said, ‘What do you want to read?’ ‘Well, I have a book in my room.’ So I went and got it. I got my Bible. And I got a book called ‘The Purpose-Driven Life.’ I turned it to the chapter that I was on that day. It was Chapter 33. And I started to read the first paragraph of it. After I read it, he said, ‘Stop, will you read it again?’ I said, ‘Yeah. I'll read it again.’ So I read it again to him. It mentioned something about what you thought your purpose in life was. What were you -- what talents were you given? What gifts were you given to use? And I asked him what he thought. And he said, ‘I think it was to talk to people and tell them about you.’"

You see, Ashley made a significant choice that day between the Word of God and the words of Warren. Like millions of others who keep Bibles around the house for a second opinion, she chose to read to her captor from Warren’s book instead of God's Word.

http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor68.htm

Ashley was not saved at that time. I heard her testimony. She came to know the Lord AFTER the incident. To blast PDL based off this false information is foolish. You basically wanted a lost person to lead another lost person to Christ, and blamed RW and PDL when the criminal became muslim. Get a life.

 

[tinytim]

The world will know us by our love.

 

[Hope of Glory]

But I am not going to question his salvation and the fact that God has used him to impact peoples lives

With few exceptions, there hasn't been questioning of his salvation, and many people have explicitly stated that God has used him to impact the lives of many people, in spite of his faulty theology.

I am not bashing Rick Warren, I am bashing the movement that lifts self pride and self motivation. Our boasting should be on nothing but the Lord, and our motivation should be His Holy Word.

Amen! Why can some people not separate the bashing of false teachings from the bashing of the individual?

Beware: Rick Warren is moving evangelicalism in the wrong direction. We need discernment in our churches once again...

We are warned of an apostate church. That won't be a church full of lost people, but will be a church full of false teachings and false teachers, many of them saved, but deceived into worldliness.

The world will know us by our love.

And here I thought they would know us by our fruits. If you love the things of the world and embrace them and drag them into the church, you will be full of love, and the world will love you...

By the same token, many people ascribe "love" to that weepy, limp-wristed sort of feel-good "love" in which "we can all just get along!" By this definition, was Jesus showing love when he was angry?

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by Marcia:
Well, I have to disagree. There are points that Christians can disagree on and there are teachings that are problematic but not heretical. RW does not deny that Jesus is Christ, the only way to heaven, as far as I know. If he does start to compromise that, that would be a big problem, but I would want to see hard evidence for it. Quotes out of context or newspaper accounts are not enough.

I read PDL and I have writing in the margins all over the place where I disagree or question what he says. I also marked where I agreed strongly with him. I do see him going in some directions that bother me, but I don't see enough to say he is wrong all the time and he has not denied any essentials of the faith.

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archives/2006/02/rick_warren_the.php#comments

Rick Warren: There is Salvation Outside of Knowing Christ

Rick Warren believes that there is salvation today for those who have never heard of Jesus. This is from his Saddleback Family website. Read it carefully, both what it says and does not say. Here's an excerpt:

Question: What about people who live in a country where they have never heard about Jesus? Will they be able to get into heaven by some other way?

Answer: There is only one way to get into heaven, through what Jesus did on the cross for us. He paid the price for our sins on the cross, no one else could do that because He alone is God.

What about those who haven't heard about the cross?

They can be saved the same way that the people in the Old Testament were saved. The book of Romans tells us again and again that Abraham was saved the same way that we are, by his faith. Abraham didn't know the name of Jesus or that one day Jesus would die on the cross for his sins, but he trusted all that he knew about the God who had shown Himself to Abraham. Because of that trust, when Jesus died thousands of years after Abraham, the same forgiveness that was offered to us was given to Abraham.

God still reveals Himself to people who haven't heard the name of Jesus today. Romans 1:19-23;10:13-21 tells us that, even by nature itself, we can all clearly see who God really is. None of us can stand before God and say, I didn't understand." We all live as His creations in the world that He has made... the evidence of the love and grace of God are all around us! Let me be clear about what this means. A person who trusted in God without hearing the name of Jesus would be of the heart to immediately recognize that Jesus was the name of the one they believed in if they were ever to hear His name and story. They would know, just as Abraham would have known, that this is the truth about the God they have been following all of their lives. Someone who has begun to walk in the light is always able to recognize a brighter light.."

We can begin to "walk in the light" without the Light of the World? Where does the light come from, Rick, if our hearts are dark with sin as Romans 3:23 states?

With this theology, we have no need for missions or true evangelism at all. (And with Saddleback, of course, we get none.) As Christians we can spend our time like Bill and Melinda Gates--conducting purpose driven social work to cure the world's physical ills. After all, you can be saved without knowing about Christ or the cross, Warren says. This is rank apostasy.

What Rick is saying is that we are saved through what Jesus did on the cross for us, not believing in Christ and what He did on the cross for us. He says we can be saved even without knowing Jesus and his atoning work. He says that we can "trust God" without ever having heard of Christ and that when we finally hear of Christ, we'll then recognize Him and say, "ah, that was who I was trusting!" This is the underlying belief of interspiritualists like Dave Fleming who has taken Warren's beliefs a step farther and stated that all world religions are essentially the same, worshipping the same God, beneath the superficial differences. That, friends, is where Rick Warren is taking the church.

 

[webdog]

What Rick is saying is that we are saved through what Jesus did on the cross for us, not believing in Christ and what He did on the cross for us.

That's not at all what "Rick is saying". Notice he uses continually "the name of Jesus". Do you think for a minute that Abraham knew the Messiah's name was going to be Jesus prior to Mary knowing? How was Abraham justified? By faith. In what? A "name" or the fact that God would send His Son to atone for the sins of the world?

 

[Boanerges]

Originally posted by webdog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Boanerges:
It appears that someone was confused John:

quote:

SMITH: “We went to my room. And I asked him if I could read. He said, ‘What do you want to read?’ ‘Well, I have a book in my room.’ So I went and got it. I got my Bible. And I got a book called ‘The Purpose-Driven Life.’ I turned it to the chapter that I was on that day. It was Chapter 33. And I started to read the first paragraph of it. After I read it, he said, ‘Stop, will you read it again?’ I said, ‘Yeah. I'll read it again.’ So I read it again to him. It mentioned something about what you thought your purpose in life was. What were you -- what talents were you given? What gifts were you given to use? And I asked him what he thought. And he said, ‘I think it was to talk to people and tell them about you.’"

You see, Ashley made a significant choice that day between the Word of God and the words of Warren. Like millions of others who keep Bibles around the house for a second opinion, she chose to read to her captor from Warren’s book instead of God's Word.

http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor68.htm

Ashley was not saved at that time. I heard her testimony. She came to know the Lord AFTER the incident. To blast PDL based off this false information is foolish. You basically wanted a lost person to lead another lost person to Christ, and blamed RW and PDL when the criminal became muslim. Get a life. </font>[/QUOTE]She claimed in the Larry King interview that she knew Christ since she was seven years old. Get the facts.

 

[eloidalmanutha]

Originally posted by webdog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> What Rick is saying is that we are saved through what Jesus did on the cross for us, not believing in Christ and what He did on the cross for us.

That's not at all what "Rick is saying". Notice he uses continually "the name of Jesus". Do you think for a minute that Abraham knew the Messiah's name was going to be Jesus prior to Mary knowing? How was Abraham justified? By faith. In what? A "name" or the fact that God would send His Son to atone for the sins of the world? </font>[/QUOTE]Heb 11:39 And having obtained witness through the faith, these all did not obtain the promise,
40 God having foreseen something better concerning us, that they should not be perfected apart from us.

Hebrews 12
1 ¶ So therefore we also, having so great a cloud of witnesses lying around us, having laid aside every weight and the easily surrounding sin, through patience let us also run the race set before us,
2 looking to the Author and Finisher of our faith, Jesus, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, "and sat down at the right" of the throne of God. Psa. 110:1
3 For consider Him who had endured such gainsaying of sinners against Himself, that you do not grow weary, fainting in your souls.


Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

 

[Boanerges]

Originally posted by webdog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Boanerges:
It appears that someone was confused John:

quote:

SMITH: “We went to my room. And I asked him if I could read. He said, ‘What do you want to read?’ ‘Well, I have a book in my room.’ So I went and got it. I got my Bible. And I got a book called ‘The Purpose-Driven Life.’ I turned it to the chapter that I was on that day. It was Chapter 33. And I started to read the first paragraph of it. After I read it, he said, ‘Stop, will you read it again?’ I said, ‘Yeah. I'll read it again.’ So I read it again to him. It mentioned something about what you thought your purpose in life was. What were you -- what talents were you given? What gifts were you given to use? And I asked him what he thought. And he said, ‘I think it was to talk to people and tell them about you.’"

You see, Ashley made a significant choice that day between the Word of God and the words of Warren. Like millions of others who keep Bibles around the house for a second opinion, she chose to read to her captor from Warren’s book instead of God's Word.

http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor68.htm

Ashley was not saved at that time. I heard her testimony. She came to know the Lord AFTER the incident. To blast PDL based off this false information is foolish. You basically wanted a lost person to lead another lost person to Christ, and blamed RW and PDL when the criminal became muslim. Get a life. </font>[/QUOTE]Some facts that you may have missed:

But, because a book called The Purpose Driven Life needed to be sold and Pastor Warren needed to be perceived as successful, the truth of Ashley's ordeal became secondary to expediency; and just as Oprah awkwardly tried to justify the errors in Frey's book, since it had touched so many lives, Christians to this day defend Pastor Warren and his book, not because he is scripturally sound or accurate but simply because he has sold so many copies and "touched so many lives" with it. In other words, it worked, so it must be a God thing.

and:

Ironically, as a guest himself on Larry King Live, Rick Warren called the much reported incident "a story of two redemptions," in spite of the fact that Nichols unrepentantly pleaded "not guilty" to those multiple courtroom murders and converted to Islam upon returning to jail; not to mention Ashley stating, with Warren at her side, that she had actually been a Christian since around the age of seven.

http://www.newswithviews.com/PaulProctor/proctor86.htm

Rick Warren is just another money changer hiding out in the house of God. While others lost their life, he kept on conducting business.

 

[Brice]

Originally posted by eloidalmanutha:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Marcia:
Well, I have to disagree. There are points that Christians can disagree on and there are teachings that are problematic but not heretical. RW does not deny that Jesus is Christ, the only way to heaven, as far as I know. If he does start to compromise that, that would be a big problem, but I would want to see hard evidence for it. Quotes out of context or newspaper accounts are not enough.

I read PDL and I have writing in the margins all over the place where I disagree or question what he says. I also marked where I agreed strongly with him. I do see him going in some directions that bother me, but I don't see enough to say he is wrong all the time and he has not denied any essentials of the faith.

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archives/2006/02/rick_warren_the.php#comments

Rick Warren: There is Salvation Outside of Knowing Christ

Rick Warren believes that there is salvation today for those who have never heard of Jesus. This is from his Saddleback Family website. Read it carefully, both what it says and does not say. Here's an excerpt:

Question: What about people who live in a country where they have never heard about Jesus? Will they be able to get into heaven by some other way?

Answer: There is only one way to get into heaven, through what Jesus did on the cross for us. He paid the price for our sins on the cross, no one else could do that because He alone is God.

What about those who haven't heard about the cross?

They can be saved the same way that the people in the Old Testament were saved. The book of Romans tells us again and again that Abraham was saved the same way that we are, by his faith. Abraham didn't know the name of Jesus or that one day Jesus would die on the cross for his sins, but he trusted all that he knew about the God who had shown Himself to Abraham. Because of that trust, when Jesus died thousands of years after Abraham, the same forgiveness that was offered to us was given to Abraham.

God still reveals Himself to people who haven't heard the name of Jesus today. Romans 1:19-23;10:13-21 tells us that, even by nature itself, we can all clearly see who God really is. None of us can stand before God and say, I didn't understand." We all live as His creations in the world that He has made... the evidence of the love and grace of God are all around us! Let me be clear about what this means. A person who trusted in God without hearing the name of Jesus would be of the heart to immediately recognize that Jesus was the name of the one they believed in if they were ever to hear His name and story. They would know, just as Abraham would have known, that this is the truth about the God they have been following all of their lives. Someone who has begun to walk in the light is always able to recognize a brighter light.."

We can begin to "walk in the light" without the Light of the World? Where does the light come from, Rick, if our hearts are dark with sin as Romans 3:23 states?

With this theology, we have no need for missions or true evangelism at all. (And with Saddleback, of course, we get none.) As Christians we can spend our time like Bill and Melinda Gates--conducting purpose driven social work to cure the world's physical ills. After all, you can be saved without knowing about Christ or the cross, Warren says. This is rank apostasy.

What Rick is saying is that we are saved through what Jesus did on the cross for us, not believing in Christ and what He did on the cross for us. He says we can be saved even without knowing Jesus and his atoning work. He says that we can "trust God" without ever having heard of Christ and that when we finally hear of Christ, we'll then recognize Him and say, "ah, that was who I was trusting!" This is the underlying belief of interspiritualists like Dave Fleming who has taken Warren's beliefs a step farther and stated that all world religions are essentially the same, worshipping the same God, beneath the superficial differences. That, friends, is where Rick Warren is taking the church. </font>[/QUOTE]Well it’s official; you my friend have officially crossed the line. I hope and pray that no unsaved person reads the garbage you just posted.

1. Rick Warren lives in the same house he has for years (including before the success of his book). Does Gates? No.
2. He Tithes 90%. Does Gates? No.
3. Many have been saved and Saddleback does support missions. That my friend is the heart of the Gospel.
4. Many believe that you can be saved outside of having a literal Bible in your hands. They believe this for the same reasons that we believe babies don’t go to hell and mentally challenged folks don’t go to hell. Do you still preach the Gospel to these folks? Yes. This does not counteract missions because we have no capability to understand to what level of belief is necessary in order for one to be saved. We don’t know exactly how far Gods grace extends in terms of babies, mentally challenged, or third world citizens. All we can do is fulfill our responsibility to preach the Gospel. There are cases in which a culture is so far down a road they will never look up to search for our God. This is why missions are necessary, this does not negate the fact that someone who doesn’t have a translated Bible or a Church in their village cannot come to the knowledge of Christ. Hence the Holy Spirit. John 14:6 refers to Jesus’ position in the kingdom. Though his sacrificial atonement we can be saved, hence Him being the only way. We cannot enter Heaven without Christ, but that doesn’t mean his sacrifice is limited to those who can read a translated Bible. This grace can be sufficient for those who search and find, but may not have the capacity to understand to the extent you or I do.

 

[Boanerges]

Well it’s official; you my friend have officially crossed the line. I hope and pray that no unsaved person reads the garbage you just posted.

You forgot to say "Touch not thine annointed"

Quit listening to the Purpo$e Driven $pin Machine. This is about Money Power and Influence.Target marketing is key.

 

[Brice]

Originally posted by Boanerges:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Well it’s official; you my friend have officially crossed the line. I hope and pray that no unsaved person reads the garbage you just posted.

You forgot to say "Touch not thine annointed"

Quit listening to the Purpo$e Driven $pin Machine. This is about Money Power and Influence.Target marketing is key. </font>[/QUOTE]

I like that you couldn't refute, so you make an unfounded statement that I "listen" to the PDL spin machine.

 

[R.D.]

Mr. Warren tithes 90% of the salary that he receives from his church(reverse tithing). There was no mention that he tithes any of the money he receives from the sale of his books or any other income.