Featured Salvation: God's Choice, Man's Choice, Both Choose?

Dude I am getting sick of your nonsense.

Your point was people respond to God from romans 1 alone,

I never said such a thing..

32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

As for me using romans one t prove even unbelievers know they are rightly judged and =deserving of Death

Your argument is with Paul

 

I was surprised myself in reading John Owen, Book 3, Chapter 2, "Works of the Holy Spirit Preparatory unto Regeneration". It's worth looking at because Owen seems to be saying that indeed there are things which men in their natural state need to do on their own which will greatly help them in their path to salvation. He includes hearing the word, attending church ordinances, etc.
"There are things required of us in a way of duty in order unto our regeneration, which are so in the power of our own natural abilities as that nothing but corrupt prejudices and stubbornness in sinning do keep or hinder men from the performance of them." Now he says that men cannot attain unto regeneration on their own, without the internal, effectual work of the Holy Spirit but he then says "Ordinarily, God, in the effectual dispensation of his grace, meeteth with them who attend with diligence on the outward administration of the means of it". God does do it all but it is truly an amazing and complicated operation.

 

My position is regeneration is a work of the HS. Prior to regeneration what moves us toward God is two things: 1. General revelation. The is made very clear in Romans chapter 1. This is not the salvation moment but is a key factor in moving us toward that. then comes the gospel which is the very thing that provides faith which is made clear in Romans 10:9-17. We have the responsibility to respond both general and special revelation. That is God's plan and design. He designed that His very powerful word provides faith.

This caricature that somehow God is sitting around wringing HIs hands waiting on us to come to Him is not only childish it is a complete misrepresentation of the position others hold. While we are fallen we still have some of God's image left in us. Our ability to put faith in something is a part of our God given image of Him. Its not separate from Him it is of Him. God chose to save those that believe. That is election. Those that believe are elect and no one is elect that does not believe. That is God's plan and design.

 

First, I’m not your “dude”.

Second, I quoted your own words so if you are sick of nonsense it the nonsense that came from you.

Obviously, your upset so I’ll let you be

thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

Both

 

Romans 1 says nothing of God sending the gospel to those that respond to general revelation found in creation.

I understand you believe “many are saved having never heard the gospel”, but your view is not biblical.

peace to you

 

The power of the Holy Spirit, that is called conviction of sin. Joh 16:8-9

 

I find your question a bit of a surprise. Do you not believe that God is sovereign? Is He not omniscient? Why do you want to limit what God can do?

 

Why do you continue to limit what God can do? You calvinists claim we non-calvinists do not believe in the sovereignty of God but it is apparent that it is the calvinist that does not believe God is sovereign.

 

My statement contained more than one assertion. Your claim is dishonest obfuscation.

 

More violations of forum rules, more threats, more off topic insults, more false charges, more dodging the truth.

 

There is no mention of the convicting power of God Holy Spirit in connection to general revelation found in creation.

peace to you

 

Why do you continue to cling to the unbiblical belief that “many are saved having never heard the gospel”?

“Calvinists” believe scripture. We are completely satisfied with what God has revealed and are quite hesitant to speculate beyond what has been revealed.

You, well, not so much. You speculate that God acts beyond what He has revealed in scripture in attempt to force God to conform to your idea of “fairness”.

peace to you

 

Denial on display!

 

Note the utter lack of response, but generality is slathered on like marmalade.

Folks, consider the statement, "I do not deny that." What "that" is being referenced? Unknown. Does Calvinism deny God credits (or not) our faith? You bet. They claim the faith we have was instilled by irresistible grace, thus there is no need to credit it as righteous, it is righteous because it is from God in the first place.

The list of Calvinism's denials of spiritual truths is long indeed. And their unrepentant denial of their denial is relentless.

They like to charge others with not understanding their doctrine, because they cannot defend their actual doctrine for it is unbiblical.

Calvinism 101 - Paul did not speak to new Christians as to "men of flesh" (lost unregenerate people) using spiritual "milk" the fundamentals of the gospel. Thus they deny 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

Calvinism 101 - God did not credit Abraham's faith (his faith) as righteousness, nope God instilled God's own faith into Abraham. Thus they deny Romans 4:5.

Calvinism 101 - Christ did not die as a ransom for all humanity, but only for the elect. Therefore, Christ had not "bought" those heading for swift destruction. Thus they deny 2 Peter 2:1.

I could go on listing verse after verse, but they will only post "taint so and Van is rotten for saying so."

 

So you do not believe in the trinity then as it is not mentioned on the bible either. Wake up and smell the coffee. Why do you continue to limit what God can do?

 

You claim that calvinists believe scripture, if only that were true. Have told you a number of times God does not have to be fair, but He does have to be just. You seem to have a real problem with the power of God. Does it upset you that God does not hold to the calvinist rules of operation?

 

You misrepresented what I said. I tried to explain it to you. but you did not listen. You kept insisting you knew what I meant.

After multiple times of trying to explain to someone what you are saying, and they continue to insist otherwise, You tend to get a little upset