Read how Jesus taught us to treat others.
Read the scene of the last judgement.
Yes he would have supported such programs if Rome has them in place.
A question for you, did Jesus ever oppose such programs in his life on earth?
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Should a good Christian be patriotic?
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Read how Jesus taught us to treat others.
Read the scene of the last judgement.
Yes he would have supported such programs if Rome has them in place.
A question for you, did Jesus ever oppose such programs in his life on earth?
Entitlements are abused, and the truly needy suffer. I would like to see fraud and abuse investigated, and the families that truly need these programs can continue to receive the benefits offered.
Do you support Food Stamp Abuse ?
I served, and like my benefits, thank you.
Private researchers killed more diseases back when regulation was not a problem, and it was you guys who killed 33 million Africans by banning DDT. I beat dance with the help of animal testing, something else your side constantly whines about.
Lastly, I feel no need whatsoever to list any charity work I do for your approval.
Now that I answered your questions, am I correct in saying you want abortion federally protected ?
And right back atcha-Zaacarooni.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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You first. Find and post for me the verses that teach that the government is responsible for taking care of the poor, sick, unemployed, and mentally ill.
So you like benefits for you, but not for others, even those in dire need?
I would like to see some proof of that as frankly I do not believe that at all.
Then how can you say you love your brothers and sisters in need?
Such a short memory you have. No I do not support that.
But I do support the government helping people. It would not be necessary if folk who say they are Christian were really Christian and not christian. But seeing the current condition in the US the programs are necessary. Christ would support them as Christians will not do what is needed to be done. That is why most of the time, not always, I vote for Democratic candidates. We are usually faced with the evil of two lessors in politicians. I vote for the one who is least anti-people.
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Simple, he would chastise Christians for not helping and would support government programs. Those programs would not be necessary if Christians did as Jesus taught.
How can you say I don't ? How can a rational, honest person, POSSIBLY get that I don't ?
And Like I said…..
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Cowardly, and dishonest.
And let him do the work ? Like you have other people's money do your giving ?
Treat othersthe same way you want them to treat you [Luke 16:31].
Do I want anyone else to pay for my food, or daycare if I needed such, or my education? No, and I never accepted grants or loans for any of these things. So, is that doing as He said, or not?
Revelation 20:11-15? Who's going to be there? A believer in Christ, or an unbelieving fornicator/drunk/dopehead who milks a welfare system?
That can not be verified other than evidence that he proposed such a system himself-- a question you have already refused to answer, as is your way.
Probably no more than I oppose either the government or Jesus being an Aladdin's genie. That's a stupid question, to ask if anyone opposes a non-issue. Do you oppose the extermination of locusts with human faces and horses' manes which have power to torment by sting?
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Nope. Not what I asked. That's an irrelevant opinion. I asked for the verses that show Jesus taught that. Otherwise you're guilty of logical fallacy. Try again.
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Nope. Not what I asked. That's an opinion. I asked for the verses that show Jesus taught that. Otherwise you're guilty of logical fallacy. Try again.
Show me verses where he said they are wrong.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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You're saying "X" is true and I can’t prove that "X" is false, therefore it’s true. That's the Negative Proof logical fallacy. Again, wrong answer. One more try. Then you're at strike three, go sit down, put up your lumber, it didn't do you no good.
Sapper Woody
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I just read this entire thread. Well, most of it. I only glanced at anything that wasn't on the OP, which was (estimated) about 2/3 of the thread. My response is going to cover the OP and many (not all) the points brought up off topic.
I am a Christian. A born again, blood bought, redeemed and sanctified Christian. Also, I am an American. A red blooded, patriotic, flag waving American.
Are these two at odds? Not in any way, shape, or form. Because being patriotic and loving your country does not mean condoning all her actions. I have a 5 year old daughter. If she grows up and becomes a serial killer, I will still love her with all my heart. Even if I have to visit her only in prison, she will still be my daughter.
America is the same way. I mourn over her actions while loving her. She is my country, the land I was born in, the land I was raised in, and the land I have fought for. I will proudly fly a flag in her honor.
But, first and foremost, I am a Christian. God is at the center. Reaching the lost, preaching the gospel, and being a testimony to others is more important than America.
But these two are not opposed. In fact, many times they cross over into each other. Giving to someone in need? That's being a good Christian. And a good American. Serving soup in a kitchen? That's being a good Christian. And a good American. Striving to better your country and move it towards God and away from godlessness? That's being a good Christian. And a good American.
I love America. I am very Patriotic. But I am a Christian.
It has been said that "People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." If we are to reach people and make a change in America, you need to be a a good Christian. And the first steps to being a good Christian coincide with being a good American. Namely, caring.
What makes a country great is not the amount of power they have, or the amount of money they make. "America is great because America is good. If America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great." We're headed in that direction now. But to get back to greatness, we need to be good again. And that starts with the things are both Patriotic and Christian. Caring.
Being Patriotic is not flying a flag, cheering the troops, or saying a pledge. It's caring about your fellow man and country enough to do whatever it takes to make them better, up to and including giving your life. I'm not necessarily talking a out dying for our country, but to care about your fellow man so much that you will do whatever you can to make him better, thus making your country better. That's Patriotic, and that's Christian.
In the political realm, I believe that's part of being a Christian and a Patriot. Voting, legislating, and getting involved politically is an outward showing of an inward love. Preach, share the gospel. But also try and make a national change for good. The two are not mutually exclusive.
That's why I believe that it is perfectly acceptable to be both a Christian and a Patriot.
I am a Christian. A born again, blood bought, redeemed and sanctified Christian. Also, I am an American. A red blooded, patriotic, flag waving American.
Are these two at odds? Not in any way, shape, or form. Because being patriotic and loving your country does not mean condoning all her actions. I have a 5 year old daughter. If she grows up and becomes a serial killer, I will still love her with all my heart. Even if I have to visit her only in prison, she will still be my daughter.
America is the same way. I mourn over her actions while loving her. She is my country, the land I was born in, the land I was raised in, and the land I have fought for. I will proudly fly a flag in her honor.
But, first and foremost, I am a Christian. God is at the center. Reaching the lost, preaching the gospel, and being a testimony to others is more important than America.
But these two are not opposed. In fact, many times they cross over into each other. Giving to someone in need? That's being a good Christian. And a good American. Serving soup in a kitchen? That's being a good Christian. And a good American. Striving to better your country and move it towards God and away from godlessness? That's being a good Christian. And a good American.
I love America. I am very Patriotic. But I am a Christian.
It has been said that "People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." If we are to reach people and make a change in America, you need to be a a good Christian. And the first steps to being a good Christian coincide with being a good American. Namely, caring.
What makes a country great is not the amount of power they have, or the amount of money they make. "America is great because America is good. If America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great." We're headed in that direction now. But to get back to greatness, we need to be good again. And that starts with the things are both Patriotic and Christian. Caring.
Being Patriotic is not flying a flag, cheering the troops, or saying a pledge. It's caring about your fellow man and country enough to do whatever it takes to make them better, up to and including giving your life. I'm not necessarily talking a out dying for our country, but to care about your fellow man so much that you will do whatever you can to make him better, thus making your country better. That's Patriotic, and that's Christian.
In the political realm, I believe that's part of being a Christian and a Patriot. Voting, legislating, and getting involved politically is an outward showing of an inward love. Preach, share the gospel. But also try and make a national change for good. The two are not mutually exclusive.
That's why I believe that it is perfectly acceptable to be both a Christian and a Patriot.
Good post. What do you think of churches that have "Patriotic Sunday" Sunday services? Usually around Fourth of July.
OldRegular
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If Christians did as Jesus Christ taught 56,000,000 unborn children would not have been slaughtered in this country! But because of Christians like you, crabtownboy, that slaughter continues.
Old, where did Jesus use the word abortion?
As I have said, I am against abortion, but I know of no place where Jesus uses the word in any way.
But he did talk about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, caring for the sick, visiting those in jail.
OldRegular
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Crabtownboy you are a poor witness as a follower of Jesus Christ. You concede that you support the "party of death" but deny that you support the continued slaughter of the unborn. You are not alone among the "so-called Christian Community". There are a number of mainstream denominations that have declared their support for this continued slaughter, primarily those who have little respect for the authority of the Bible!
You then automatically assume that anyone who has questioned your defense of the "party of death" does not care for those who are in need. We are accused of hating women, but each one of us have or had a mother, or a sister, and more than likely a wife. We are accused of hating the poor though many who are older like me went through the FDR depression and realize what it is like to be poor. We are accused of hating the elderly though many are old like me. If you had your "choice" I am sure you we would be accused of hating Jesus Christ, all because we take exception to your support of the "party of death".
One thing is certain Crabtownboy, those of us who follow a more Conservative political philosophy than you give far more to charitable causes than the bleeding heart liberal/leftists like you and that is an undeniable fact. Yet because you denounce those who disagree with your support of the "party of death" that is to be taken as proof that you are generous beyond measure to the elderly, the undernourished, the sick, and the less fortunate. So you see Crabtownboy, I am justified in saying that you are a poor witness as a follower of Jesus Christ.
It is up to you to prove your point. After all silence gives consent and Jesus did not speak about governments in this way. No need to as it would have been a totally confusing issue to those alive back then. I know he taught how we are to care for each other ... so it is a logical extension to say that Jesus would approve of government helping people.
Show me where he said anything to disprove this.
Sapper Woody
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IMO, that's a gray area. Is the intent to witness, to thank God for his blessings and the freedom we have, to bring in veterans and police officers who might not otherwise come to church and hear the gospel? Then I'm OK with it. On the other hand, if the country is lifted up to be the main thing, and glorified instead of God, then it's not right.
I am OK with the national colors on display during church, even a normal service. In all honesty, it has become so commonplace that no one even realizes it's there, much less make it an idol. The flag is a part of us as Americans, here on earth. It's no different to me than a multicultural service during a missions conference. Its presence doesn't detract or divide. Rather, it reminds us that we are all one (earthly) people, and of our duty to our fellow countrymen to be a good citizen by becoming missionaries first to our own people, so that we have a greater foundation and force to witness to the world.
So -- do you think Jesus would have opposed abortion?
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