Adam and Eve were created "very good" (Gen 1:31) and yet they had the ability to sin. Having the ability to sin does not make you evil or a sinner, Jesus implied he had the ability to lie.They would still have the "equipment" to sin which was passed on from Adam.
Jhn 8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
The word "if" implies possibility, so here Jesus implied he had the ability to lie. Does that make Jesus a liar? NO.
You have the ability to murder, does that make you a murderer? NO. You have the ability to rob a bank, does that make you a bank robber? NO.
So, this is a very poor argument and distorts the true meaning of sin. Sin is something you actually do. God would not have had to command Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil if they were utterly unable to do so, simply having the ability to eat of the tree did not make them a sinner.
Perhaps. I don't think it proves it though because Romans 5:12 says that both sin and death was passed through each and every one of us because of "one man" and in the past tense so that it happened to all when Adam sinned
Not so. If they would have eaten of the tree of life they would have lived forever, their sin would not have killed them physically. It was not sin that directly caused them to physically die, but because God barred them from the tree of life.
Literally - "and dying you shall die"
No, God told them IN THE DAY they eat of it they shall die.
Young's literal Translation
YLT Genesis 2:17 and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die.'
This supports what I just said.
Adam was separated from God on that day and he began to die physically on that day.
That is an assumption on your part. The fact that Adam and Eve had to eat at all proves they could die. The tree of life provides healing that prevents a person from dying. (Rev 22:2)
They received it as part of the adamic nature which we retain even after regeneration.
The scriptures say we are a new creation and a new man, old things have passed away. The scriptures say we partake of the divine nature. So why would saved parents give birth to a child with a sin nature?
This just proves how foolish it is to believe that sin is passed physically. If sin is passed physically, then Jesus would have been born with a sin nature, as scripture says he was MADE of the SEED of DAVID according to the FLESH.
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
The angel that spoke to Mary said David was Jesus's father;
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
The scriptures say Jesus took on himself the NATURE of the seed of Abraham (not Adam). As you know Abraham was a sinner born after the fall.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Jesus had the same nature as the descendants of Abraham and was made like unto his brethren the Jews IN ALL THINGS. If man was born with a sin nature, then so was Jesus. I refuse to believe this, as scripture says Jesus was without sin. Therefore men cannot be born with a sin nature.
It's all one package.
I disagree. If sin causes physical death, then God would not have needed to keep Adam and Eve from the tree of life, as they would have died anyway.
I already gave my answer to this.
Before personal accountability God regenerates them.
And this is salvation other than placing faith on Jesus.
They are not sinners like adults. They are in the state of innocence, they have a nature to sin but are not accountable having no concept or understanding of sin.
Again, having the ability to sin does not make you a sinner, or else Adam and Eve were created sinners. God would not have needed to command them not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil if they were not able to eat of it. They always had the ability to sin, but this did not make them sinners, God said they were VERY GOOD before they sinned.
So, this argument of yours is easily proved to be a fallacy.
It's a parable winman.
You have made several good points though.
HankD
Parables express spiritual truths as when Jesus explained the parable of the four different soils to his disciples.
I find it impossible to believe Jesus would tell us about the elder son who NEVER sinned if no such person could exist.
And I refuse to believe Jesus was speaking of the Pharisees as some teach, Jesus was always very direct with the Pharisees and called them children of the devil, hypocrites, whited sepulchres, etc... Jesus NEVER gave them the impression they were sinless.
No, it was Jesus himself who told three stories that were one. The lost sheep was not lost at first, the lost silver coin was not lost at first, and the prodigal son was not lost at first.
Maybe Jesus forgot that all men are born lost in sin??
If you believe that there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I will give you a good deal on.
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