Sola Scripture? Part Two

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quoting DHK,
"In the night following the sabbath, for the sabbath closed at sunset, as it began to dawn," etc. (Albert Barne's notes)"

I nowhere read 'nukti' in Mt28:1; I nowhere read 'meta'-after; I nowhere read an Accusative to confirm the meaning of 'after'. For all these perversions firsthand one should go to Justin Martyr - he suffered for his faith - which nevertheless was unfaithful to the Scriptures - the same irony of modern Christiandom.

 

[DHK]

Luke 24:1-2 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

Mark 16:1-2 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Scripture doesn't contradict itself. The Sabbath was past. Christ arose on the first day of the week--Sunday. The Sabbath is not binding on the Christian. For sake of argument, if he did rise on the Sabbath, there is still no command to keep the Sabbath for the Christian. It is a sign of the covenant between Jehovah and the nation of Israel and their generations forever. Check Exodus 31.
DHK

 

[Claudia_T]

God has pronounced a special blessing upon all Gentiles who keep the Sabbath (See Isaiah 56:6,7)

This Sabbath blessing is in the prophecy that refers wholly to the Christian dispensation (See Isaiah 56)

 

[Eliyahu]

Oooops double posts.

 

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:

Originally posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn:

Eliyahu,
Every assertion you make is FALSE, one way or the other.
"They collected the money on the first days of the week. ( 1 Cor 16:2)", Correct - so as not to do it on the Sabbath!

"They broke the Bread on the First day of the Week ( Acts 20:7)>> False, false false - so 'translated' as to support Sunday observance. The Greek says they on the first day of the week were together gathered still after having had assembled together for Holy Communion when Paul discussed matters with the disciples mentioned earlier in the same chapter. Conclusion: They had to have gathered the previous day, the Sabbath, for Holy Communion. Thanks, your perversions don't go up!
"You missed the Pentecostal meetings were on Sunday, First fruits day was Sunday."

The first Pentecost (Shavuot) also fell on the Sabbath Day. By co-incidence? Never! By God Almighty's eternal council yes!

1. Do you mean They gathered on Sabbath and then collected the money next day?

2. What you said sounds that they gathered on Sabbath, then continued the gathering to next day, then at that time they collected the money and broke the bread. So, you are claiming two days service.

3. Pentecost and Day of Firstfruits fell on the first day of the week always. Study Lev 23 more.

 

[Eliyahu]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
God has pronounced a special blessing upon all Gentiles who keep the Sabbath (See Isaiah 56:6,7)

This Sabbath blessing is in the prophecy that refers wholly to the Christian dispensation (See Isaiah 56)

I keep Sabbaths by believing in Jesus since Jesus Christ is the eternal Sabbath and I rest in Him eternally, instead of keeping the Law as Holy Spirit is my Law.

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

I like Blessings...

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

The Curses, the "Have To's", are done away with in Christ...

But, guess what...

The Blessings remain!

All carrot... No *real* stick...

That sure changes the "Want To's"...

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by Eliyahu:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Claudia_T:
God has pronounced a special blessing upon all Gentiles who keep the Sabbath (See Isaiah 56:6,7)

This Sabbath blessing is in the prophecy that refers wholly to the Christian dispensation (See Isaiah 56)

I keep Sabbaths by believing in Jesus since Jesus Christ is the eternal Sabbath and I rest in Him eternally, instead of keeping the Law as Holy Spirit is my Law. </font>[/QUOTE]Eliyahu,


Lots of people say Jesus is their rest and their Sabbath, etc. But where do you get that out of the Scriptures?


Matthew 11:
28: Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29: Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

That "rest in Jesus" involves taking His yoke upon you. Two oxen would plow (work) together... in this case, Jesus and you.

Then your burden is light.

But I dont see anything in the Bible about doing away with the Sabbath "because Jesus is your rest"

Claudia

 

[Claudia_T]

I dont understand why they are closing down all these threads because of "copyrighted material" being posted. I hope its not because of anything Ive posted. I was told if something is over 100 years old it cant be copyrighted anymore. Thats about all I ever post is ancient stuff.

Maybe I misunderstand what copyright is.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Claudia, does nto matter how old the material is, it was written by someone else. If it were true that material that was written more than a hundred years ago were not copyrighted anymore, then I could claim authorship to the constitution, or the declaration of independence, or even the Torah.

Material that has someone else as author and used must be presented with author name and where that material can be found. i.e., website, museum, book, etc.

The BB does have rules and they also have to abide by US rules and regulations in regard to written material as well.

 

[D28guy]

Standingfirm...

"Claudia, does nto matter how old the material is, it was written by someone else. If it were true that material that was written more than a hundred years ago were not copyrighted anymore, then I could claim authorship to the constitution, or the declaration of independence, or even the Torah."

Well, to be fair Claudia isnt trying to claim that she wrote all of those long posts from Ellen White that she posts.

The way your post is worded there someone might think you are saying that, which I dont believe you are saying.

The impression I get sometimes is that Claudia just assumes that everyone will know those long quotes are from Ellen White, since we all know she is a SDA.

Someone new here might not know that, so of course its good to clearly state who wrote it, as the rules ask us to do...and link to the rest.

Mike

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Mike,

Not all were by EG White. Many were by EJ Waggoner and other authors. The bottom line is, when credit is due, credit should be given.

 

[D28guy]

I agree with that.

Mike

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by D28guy:
I agree with that.

Mike

It is so much easier to compare Scripture with Scripture (sola scriptura) than Scriptura with Ellen G. White, etc. I join with many others and detest extra long posts from the Great Controversy and other such unnamed sources. A person should think on their own two feet and be able to present a Scriptural argument from their own study of Scripture--not their leader's study of Scripture. That is not sola scriptura.
DHK

 

[D28guy]

DHK,

"It is so much easier to compare Scripture with Scripture (sola scriptura) than Scriptura with Ellen G. White, etc. I join with many others and detest extra long posts from the Great Controversy and other such unnamed sources."

Oh, I cant say I detest those quotations.

I personally have in the past posted information concerning Sola Scriptura from an evangelical protestant "reformed" web-site that was written by a brother who was strongly "sola sriptura" regarding making his point.

So...I wasnt quoting scripture, but rather quoting a gifted teacher who was using only the scriptures to make his point. Sort of like that person being able to post, even though I dont think he is even still alive here on earth.

Regarding Claudia, she may be posting Ellen White material, but I seem to see a lot of scriptures in the material from Ellen White. So I view it as Claudia giving Ellen White, who has long since past away, a chance to give her view of the topic, using the scriptures as she(Ellen White) believed they should be understood.

"A person should think on their own two feet and be able to present a Scriptural argument from their own study of Scripture--not their leader's study of Scripture. That is not sola scriptura."

Not from Claudia, no. But it would be Ellen Whites scriptural argument being presented, and as far as I know she believed doctrine should be formulated from only the scriptures, or..."sola scriptura."

I sure dont believe she is correct regarding some things, but I've never sensed any Jehovahs Witnesses or Catholicism style authoritarianism from the 7th Day Adventists.

I've always sensed that they view Ellen White as one who had some good insights that they feel are credible, but they dont lift her writings up to the level of scripture as the Mormons, JW's and Catholics do with their un-biblical teachings.

I could be wrong about that, however.

"A person should think on their own two feet and be able to present a Scriptural argument from their own study of Scripture--not their leader's study of Scripture."

I agree with that completly.

God bless,

Mike

 

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by D28guy:


</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />"Claudia, does nto matter how old the material is, it was written by someone else. If it were true that material that was written more than a hundred years ago were not copyrighted anymore, then I could claim authorship to the constitution, or the declaration of independence, or even the Torah."

Well, to be fair Claudia isnt trying to claim that she wrote all of those long posts from Ellen White that she posts.

The way your post is worded there someone might think you are saying that, which I dont believe you are saying.

The impression I get sometimes is that Claudia just assumes that everyone will know those long quotes are from Ellen White, since we all know she is a SDA.

Someone new here might not know that, so of course its good to clearly state who wrote it, as the rules ask us to do...and link to the rest.

Mike [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]Agreed.

Better yet - no reference at all to Ellen White would be perfect to illustrate the point of "Sola Scriptura".

(Unless the QUESTION being asked was "hey Claudia WHAT did Ellen White believe on the subject of Sola Scriptura"?)

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
I dont understand why they are closing down all these threads because of "copyrighted material" being posted. I hope its not because of anything Ive posted. I was told if something is over 100 years old it cant be copyrighted anymore. Thats about all I ever post is ancient stuff.

Maybe I misunderstand what copyright is.

Actually a weird thing happened on the "SDA Hypocrisy" thread. Someone accused you of posting a quote from YOUR OWN WEB Site on this board.

Not sure what was up with that.

They also claimed that Waggoner was someone preaching in 1981 instead of 1891!

Anyway - strange stuff going on there.

Having said that - "Sola scriptura" threads are a good place for the "Bible only".

 

[Eric B]

Not from Claudia, no. But it would be Ellen Whites scriptural argument being presented, and as far as I know she believed doctrine should be formulated from only the scriptures, or..."sola scriptura."

I sure dont believe she is correct regarding some things, but I've never sensed any Jehovahs Witnesses or Catholicism style authoritarianism from the 7th Day Adventists.

I've always sensed that they view Ellen White as one who had some good insights that they feel are credible, but they dont lift her writings up to the level of scripture as the Mormons, JW's and Catholics do with their un-biblical teachings.

I could be wrong about that, however.

You have a point with that, but the problem is, they quote from her so much, it is not good; as it almost seems to top scripture. Scripture winds up being read through it, ultimately. No one should put that much emphasis on one person's writing. (And then you take into consideration their belief in her being some special prophet who had visions —on the importance of the Sabbath). Not even the JW's do all of this, and it is similar to the Mormons and other groups. I would say it certainly compromises Sola Scriptura, even if you think she herself used scripture only.
What Claudia is doing seems to be a common practice in the denomination, as much of their literature consists of excerpts of The Great Controversy. They hand this stuff out to the world, as the Gospel. (Like the booklet "National Sunday Law", which I found interesting reading, but then notice it starts sounding familar, and then I notice it is all quotes, and it is the same material I had read in their books on prophecy, and other pamphlets.)

Not to single the SDA out among Sabbathkeeping groups, as was suggested on one of the closed threads, but the SDA is the one who is most aggressively pushing its propaganda on this board.

 

[Claudia_T]

I am sorry. The truth is that I am having trouble with my feet and I can only sit here for a limited amount of time.

So what I have ben doing is that if there is something I want to say and I know the same idea is in the Ellen White writings, I would just copy and paste it.

Honestly all I put on here last time were quotes from the pilgrims saying things about how we should continue following the light that is shed on us.... so I didnt think anything wrong about .


It has nothing whatever with me not being able to think for myself. I write books and articles often and so thats just not true. I used to study the Bible 2 hours a day for years and years... so yes, I have a brain and can think on my own.

But at any rate if its such a problem then I wont do it anymore. I just couldnt undanderstand why other people seem to be able to post stuff from other authors but not me.

Anyway I wish people would stop assuming things about me.

Oh I almost forgot, the reason sometimes I wouldnt put the name ellen white is so I wouldnt have to put up with people saying something about it... and much of what she says is lots of scriptures, just like EG Waggoner and AT Jones and the stuff Ive posted by them.

I also didnt want to start any trouble on here so sometimes I wouldnt post the name of who wrote it or that reason also.

anyways I am sorry to have caused any trouble

I just have to say I think thats really stupid this thing about "propagana". I tell my views on things just like everyone else does. I dont see where Eric gets this and others about this "propaganda". If I dont have a brain like some of you seem to think, then how am I doing propaganda messages anyway.

I cant help it if I happen to have different views then everyone else.

geez... I think you're giving me too much credit.


Claudia

 

[Eric B]

I'm sorry, and I was actually trying to think of a nicer word, but was inbetween other tasks at the moment, but that is what it is.
You are posting on a Baptist board this stuff that criticizes the majority of Baptists (and other Christians here) for not keeping a practice that your denomination believes in. The material often speaks of the great endtime deception being Sunday worship (which is highly unlikely; of all the moral and political issues the Church is arguing over, that is the least thing on people's minds), and the insinuation is that we all are the ones who are deceived, sinning, trampling God's Law and saying there is no law, etc.; and will be caught up in the Beast worship if we do not heed this person and her prophesies, or those of you who follow her. That is propaganda.