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Temporary Salvationist 1-8

Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by Herb Evans, Nov 17, 2006.

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  1. Lacy Evans

    Lacy Evans New Member

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    Just use the quote function. It's the little speech bubble right below the "redo" arrow. Highlight what you want to quote, then hit the quote icon. You can even quote within a quote.


    Lacy

    Your post # 158 could look like this:
    Much easier to read. PM me if you want.
     
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  2. James_Newman

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    Well, we all know what I teach. Now what are the dangers again?
     
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  3. James_Newman

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    You seem to think there is a new body sitting in a jar of formaldehyde waiting for you while you drag the old one through the mud? I don't think you have a new body. I think God makes your old body new. What about this one?
    1Co 15:51-52
    51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
    52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
    Thats the stinking rotting sinful body, raised incorruptible. Jesus was raised bodily, was He not? Where was His old body? It wasn't there!
     
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  4. Herb Evans

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    Oh, c'mon, that is a time waster. get to the issues. -- Herb Evans
     
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  5. Herb Evans

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    Well, I like that passage. The corrupt and corrupted body changes from one thing to something else. The corrupt and corruptible body to the incorruptible body. The old body to the new body, then what happens to the new body? HUH? It gets killed and punished at the JSOC and thrown into hell fire as Faustites believe?

    Now, to suggest that Jesus had a corruptible body or a sinful body or that it stunk or rotted is akin to blasphemy. Jesus' body was raised a glorified body, and our new body will be like unto his glorious body and not like unto our old sinful body. To put it succinctly, you ain't Jesus. You become more and more heretical as you go along with your damage control. -- Herb Evans

    Thanks for the verse, but I did not need it.
     
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  6. Herb Evans

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    My, what a good work you have done. Perhaps, you will make the kingdom, even if you do not know it yet. You have taught me something. Thank you! -- Herb Evans
     
    #166 Herb Evans, Dec 2, 2006
  7. James_Newman

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    To put it succinctly, I can't find the term 'new body' anywhere in the bible. This has really been a long song and dance routine. Just because your body will be changed does not mean that you yourself will not be responsible for sins at the judgment seat of Christ. Jesus' body was every bit the same as yours and mine. The difference was what He did in it.
     
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  8. James_Newman

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    I guess the danger is in getting Herb's dander up.
     
    #168 James_Newman, Dec 2, 2006
  9. Ed Edwards

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    The 'pillories of heaven' are never mentioned in the Bible.
    Heaven just doesn't contain any whipping posts :(
     
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  10. Lacy Evans

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    'Splain this verse to me, Ed.
    Lacy
     
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  11. Lacy Evans

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    Hey, You're liable to be kin! I can't have us Evans' looking ignert!

    God bless and you are quite welcome! Your posts look very nice now!

    lacy
     
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  12. Herb Evans

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    Wow! The blasephemy continues! I won't dignify that sinful talk with an answer. You can't find a lot of things at the JSOC and I hell fire, but you propagate them anyway to those who fall for them. So now, we have it on record that Christians do not get a new body. I thought bad Christians missing heaven when they die was bad enough. That is it, I have enough info from you and the readers do also. I will answer the question you Lacy gave to Ed, however. -- Herb Evans
     
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  13. Herb Evans

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    Ed, you are right—no pillaries in heaven. In regard to lacy’s challenge to you on Luke 12:41-48:

    Faustites are “notorius” for using material from the parables. But Lacy Evans goof here is to put this all in the wrong time frame. Note that it is the good pleasure of the father to give the “flock’ the kingdom 12:32. That is the N.T. saints and us.


    Note that Lacy’s proof text occurs AFTER the wedding (12:36), assuming that Lacy is premillennial and not split-rapture like Joey Faust was when he started out on this long journey downward. Note also that this flock’s treasure is already in heaven before the wedding (12:33,34). Notice that we are talking about the Lord’s second coming (12:37) as a thief 12;37-40. we Christains do not have to worry about his coming as a thief (1 Thess. 5). Also, note that the disciples were asking as to who was being addressed in this PARABLE but got no answer (12:41). In retrospect, we can know who because of Paul's epistles, that is everyone but Faustites.


    Lacy wants you to think that everyone that is a servant is saved, so that he can turn that straw man into believers getting whipped with STRIPES at the JSOC. That whipping consists of being being killed and thrown into hell fire per faustites.

    The parable is for Jews in the tribulation after the coming and wedding before the battle. Israel and Israelites are God’s servants whether saved or not. Even old Nebbie was God’s servant or anyone else that were tools to fulfill or accomplish God’s plan.

    Lev 25:55 For unto me the children of Israel are servants; they are my servants whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

    Even old Nebbie was God’s servant or anyone else that fulfilled or accomplished God’s plan.

    The portion that these unbelieving Jews get is the same as the other unbelievers that have gone before them. – Herb Evans

    Jer 25:9 Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.


    That is it, Ed. I am finished with this heresy as i promised in my last post. You take them from here. -- Herb Evans
     
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  14. Lacy Evans

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    faustite schmoustite. The time frame is clear to anyone not prone to wriggling when the warnings get a little "hot". Of course it is His good pleasure to give us the Kingdom, but you tell me how a person leaps from that to everybody in the flock gets it automatically. One verse doesn't cancel out a dozen that say we get it by suffering and we miss it if we are unfaithful.

    I was "split-rapture" when "split-rapture" wasn't cool. That also is a totally unrelated subject. Perhaps another thread.
    The parable IS their answer. You can't hide behind a clear teaching and cry parable!
    Eze 20:49
     Then said I, Ah Lord God! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?
    Herb (I suppose) wants you to believe that there are two gospels. One of free grace based upon the finished work of Christ for those of us who live in the church age and another one where you get saved by not beating your fellow-servants and not getting drunk for those who live during the trib. What a frightening heresy!:tongue3:



    Did your daddy let you pick your own punishment? I never liked getting whippings, and the more evil the infraction, the more severe the rod.
    Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    Poor Jews in the trib! This is a enigmatic idea that leaves you with much more trouble than it solves. Does a tribulation jew get saved by works? You have got to be kidding me! That's just hyperdispensationalist mumbo-jumbo. Two ways to get saved? You are starting to scare me. This is a Baptist board right?
    There is nothing about "belief" in the warning or even in the parable! The whole discussion is about works. It is stated in the text that the audience is already-believing, saved disciples.
    If I may quote from "Tombstone"

    "Well . . . .bye."

    You have left your debate in good hands. Ed can rock-n-roll with the best of them.

    Hey Ed, do you believe that Tribulation Jews get saved by works?

    lacy
     
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  15. Herb Evans

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    Ed Squared, by the way as I depart from this thread; don't allow any amatuer trifler to misrepresent me by telling you that I believe in works for salvation or grace plus works for salvation in the tribulation. Folks will have to go to Pensacola for that doctrine. -- Herb Evans
     
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  16. Lacy Evans

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    Ok Herb and ole Pete are not the same person. (I've never seen the two together!)

    Herb said:

    What pray-tell did he mean, reckon?

    lacy
     
    #176 Lacy Evans, Dec 3, 2006
  17. Ed Edwards

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    No problem Brother Herb Evans.
    However, I will probably let PROFESSIONAL triflers to so
    misrepresent you ;)

    Yes, I've been to Pensocola.
    (ed takes a 6-minute gigglin' for Jesus break)
    I've also been to Toronto.
     
    #177 Ed Edwards, Dec 3, 2006
  18. Ed Edwards

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    Lacy Evans: //You have left your debate in good
    hands. Ed can rock-n-roll with the best of them. //

    Thank you for the kind words, Brother Lacy Evans.
    Yep, I do believe in ROCK-N-ROLL. I have faith
    in the ROCK: Messiah Jesus, & I'm on the ROLL
    of those selected for heaven    .

    Or were we talking about the other Ed?
    Say, did he get over the surgery on the
    body part that goes from the throat to the
    stomach (wouldn't easier if I could spell?)?

    Lacy Evans: //Hey Ed, do you believe that Tribulation Jews get saved by works?//

    Tribulation Jews (millions of them) get saved when
    they Believe that God raised Messiah Jesus from the
    dead and confess Jesus as Messiah (Lord).
    Tribulation Jews thus saved will do good works.
     
    #178 Ed Edwards, Dec 3, 2006
  19. AresMan

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    I assume you are talking about Ruckman and not PCC.
     
    #179 AresMan, Dec 3, 2006
  20. James_Newman

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    Whatever, Herb. Lord willing, I'll still be here preaching the truth if you decide you need some more info.
     
    #180 James_Newman, Dec 4, 2006
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