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Ten Commandments Pre cross - Questions
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grahame said:Hehe, No, it wasn't addressed to you. I was just reading the profiles so I know who is posting. I know that you are a Baptist. But it is difficult to pin down some SDA's to know what thay actually do believe.
If you're having trouble...Just offer everyone a pork chop.
You'll find out pretty quick.
OK, actually that's not true...the vegetarians will run from ya as well. :tongue3:
Pork chop anyone?:smilewinkgrin:rbell said:If you're having trouble...Just offer everyone a pork chop.
You'll find out pretty quick.
OK, actually that's not true...the vegetarians will run from ya as well. :tongue3:
This is false. It is no way refers to the past unsaved life. John includes himself as a believer. Verse nine is inserted between verses 8 and 10 stating that we as Christians can confess our sins to Christ, and receive forgiveness. It certainly does not refer to past sins, as in the past life before one is saved. Every sin is past. The sin you comitted one minute ago is past. Besides that, the tense is not past tense. It is perfect active indicative.standingfirminChrist said:The key in 1 John 1:10 is the past tense 'have not sinned'. Here, John was saying that we have sinned in the past. And Paul echoed the words when he said 'For all have sinned...' again, past tense.
When one is in Christ, one need not give in to sin. As a matter of fact, if one obeys the comandments, after coming to the knowledge of Christ, one can be asured of not committing willfull sin.
Furthermore, verse 6 makes it more clear for you:
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
--If we say we have no sin... That you have been certainly guilty of. The truth, therefore is not in you. You say you don't sin. You have no sin. This certainly does not refer to anythig in the past. It is clear it is in the present, even in the English it is very clear. John includes himself in this verse and then goes on to say, "but if we confess our sins..."
But you don't have to do that because you are perfect.
I thouht only Christ was sinless. But now there is SFIC. I guess you didn't need a Saviour after all??
standingfirminChrist
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Any understand 'If you love me, keep my commandments'? If you love Him, obey Him.
That is problem SFIC--how to harmonize the Scriptures. They don't contradict each other. Right now you have a contradition. What are you going to do about it? On the one hand you think you have a command that tells you to be perfect and do not sin. On the other hand you have a statement that if you say you sin the truth is not in you and you call Christ a liar. The truth is there. Obviously your theology or your interpretation of these verses is wrong.standingfirminChrist said:Any understand 'If you love me, keep my commandments'? If you love Him, obey Him.
The understanding comes in our relationship with our Father. We are his children. I command my children to obey me. If they love me they will obey me. But they are not perfect. When they don't obey me they will get punished (chastised). There is a consequence for sin. But there is always forgiveness. They will always be my children no matter what they do. That is one thing that will never change. I desire them to obey me. If they love me they will. My love for them is unconditional. It will never end. But their obedience to me is not perfect because they are human and make mistakes. They will sin.standingfirminChrist said:Any understand 'If you love me, keep my commandments'? If you love Him, obey Him.
Thus it says in 1John 2:1 that it is God's will that you sin not. But if any man sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
God has made a provision for us when we do sin. He knows that we will sin. He expects us to come to him with our failures and our sin. We are not perfect. We will break God's law, and we will do it many times. But praise God there is forgiveness with Him. And He will never disown his own children.
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DHK said:That is problem SFIC--how to harmonize the Scriptures. They don't contradict each other. Right now you have a contradition. What are you going to do about it? On the one hand you think you have a command that tells you to be perfect and do not sin. On the other hand you have a statement that if you say you sin the truth is not in you and you call Christ a liar. The truth is there. Obviously your theology or your interpretation of these verses is wrong.
Unwilling to admit that your interpretation of these verses is wrong?
But I am not the one that has a problem, a contradiction, you do.standingfirminChrist said:Unwilling to admit that your interpretation of these verses is wrong?
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I agree that God will never disown His children. But so many take it for granted that they are His children when in reality... they are not.
Just making a profession of faith does not mean a hill of beans. If one is not faithful, if one does not obey the commandments of the Lord, one has shown that one is a slave to other than Christ.
No man can serve two masters. I like Bob, cannot condone the idea that we can sin willfully and think we are the children of God.. And the Word of God clearly tells us this as well.
Just making a profession of faith does not mean a hill of beans. If one is not faithful, if one does not obey the commandments of the Lord, one has shown that one is a slave to other than Christ.
No man can serve two masters. I like Bob, cannot condone the idea that we can sin willfully and think we are the children of God.. And the Word of God clearly tells us this as well.
That is an excuse. You are setting yourself up as God and judging the hearts of others. I wrote that as if it were me. Are you saying that I am not saved. I know that I am a child of God. I know that God will never disown me. Why are you bringing this red herring into it? Why are setting yourself up as the judge of the hearts of others. That has nothing to do with this subject.standingfirminChrist said:I agree that God will never disown His children. But so many take it for granted that they are His children when in reality... they are not.
Just making a profession of faith does not mean a hill of beans. If one is not faithful, if one does not obey the commandments of the Lord, one has shown that one is a slave to other than Christ.
No man can serve two masters. I like Bob, cannot condone the idea that we can sin willfully and think we are the children of God.. And the Word of God clearly tells us this as well.
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if we say we know we know Him and keep not His commandments, we are liars and the truth is not in us. Plain and simple from the Word of God.
standingfirminChrist said:if we say we know we know Him and keep not His commandments, we are liars and the truth is not in us. Plain and simple from the Word of God.
Yep...as simple as 1 John 1:10: "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us."
kinda forgot that one, didn't ye?
It is just as plain and simple thatstandingfirminChrist said:if we say we know we know Him and keep not His commandments, we are liars and the truth is not in us. Plain and simple from the Word of God.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
So which is it? Am I to assume you are perfect? Ha!
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God's children must have the ability to be perfect. Jesus Himself said:
Jesus said 'If ye love me, keep my commandments'.
His commandments are not grievous
If we say we know Him, and keep not His commandments we don't know Him at all. We are deceiving ourselves.
Paul went on to say:Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
If you claim to be 'in Christ' obey Him. Keep His Commandments... all ofthem. You can be perfect.Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
The Word of God is given that we may be perfect... 'IN HIM'.2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Jesus said 'If ye love me, keep my commandments'.
His commandments are not grievous
If we say we know Him, and keep not His commandments we don't know Him at all. We are deceiving ourselves.
standingfirminChrist said:God's children must have the ability to be perfect. Jesus Himself said: "Be ye perfect"
So what did he mean? Was he speaking of sinless perfection?
No! The word perfect "teleios" in the Greek has the idea of completion or maturity. We are to reach for a goal of being mature in Christ. It never speaks of being sinless. It infers the attributes of God: love, mercy, kindness, just, etc. In as much as we are made in the image and likeness of God we need to display these attributes of God in our lives as we grow in maturity, and strive to be more like him. That is the meaning. It was never meant to mean sinless perfection. Check other translations.
No, he does not say be perfect, and he does not say to keep all his commandments. He says that we need to be "complete in Him." which I have explained above. That again, does not mean sinless perfection. You cannot keep all the law. If you put yourself under the law as such, Paul says that you are cursed. (Gal.3:10)Paul went on to say:
Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all
If you claim to be 'in Christ' obey Him. Keep His Commandments... all ofthem. You can be perfect.
The word is "complete" in Him. It is that same word "teleios."The Word of God is given that we may be perfect... 'IN HIM'.
The Word of God is given to us that we might be made a complete person. It is the Word that thoroughly furnishes us to every good work.
The key here is HIS commandments, not the Ten Commandments. HIS commandments are not grievious as the Ten Commandments were. His commandments were to love one another, to pray, to evangelize, etc. His commandments were not the Ten Commandments. Christ did not come preaching the Law; he came preaching the gospel. He never expected perfection. If he did why did John write "IF any man sin we have an adocate with the Father, Jesus Christ..."Jesus said 'If ye love me, keep my commandmetns'.
His commandments are not grievous
If we say we know Him, and keep not His commandments we don't know Him at all. We are deceiving ourselves.
It seems as if God expects us to sin, doesn't it?
Jesus said
The law does not give you rest. Jesus does. For he is our rest.
(Matthew 11:28)Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
The law does not give you rest. Jesus does. For he is our rest.
But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
from Acts chapter 15.Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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We know according to God's Word that His commandments are not grievous.
The commandments that were spoken of man not bearing were different than the Ten Commandmetns. Peter was there when Jesus told the rich man to'Keep these and thou shalt live'. Peter knew the importance of Jesus instructions that day.
The commandments that were spoken of man not bearing were different than the Ten Commandmetns. Peter was there when Jesus told the rich man to'Keep these and thou shalt live'. Peter knew the importance of Jesus instructions that day.
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Then why:standingfirminChrist said:We know according to God's Word that His commandments are not grievous.
The commandments that were spoken of man not bearing were different than the Ten Commandmetns. Peter was there when Jesus told the rich man to'Keep these and thou shalt live'. Peter knew the importance of Jesus instructions that day.
1. Did Peter deny Christ three times?
2. Did Peter sin afterward so that Paul had to "withstand him to the face?"
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