Texas School shooting:

[Matt Black]

Your country then does not provide for the rights of the citizenry to own guns—-we do. We are not a socialist state bent on taking away rights of citizens.

Neither are we. It's not an "if you're not one, then you're the other" situation.

Guns are merely tool, nothing more and tools in the wrong hands will become lethal. A better job in targeting the mentally unhinged is what’s required, not gun prohibition.

Except that we have a mental health epidemic here too....but we don't have a mass shooting problem, so guns are the problem. The question remains: how many more mass murders of kids do there have to be before the US changes its spots on this issue?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Doesn't your country suffer from other matters such as knife attacks, acid attacks, and for a while there you were frequently getting a truck of peace, etc.?

My fathers family came from Wales and they all owned guns and hunted with them.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Your typical hypocrite….I might add criminal to that list.

It's quite clear that those in charge don't care about the people of this country, they are more concerned with the fact that people in this country own guns. Whether you support Trump or not mass shootings were rare under his admin, since Biden was placed into office they have become frequent. And in most cases the perp was posting things on social media, or was reported by others and the authorities did nothing, almost as if they wanted it to happen...

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Neither are we. It's not an "if you're not one, then you're the other" situation. Except that we have a mental health epidemic here too....but we don't have a mass shooting problem, so guns are the problem. The question remains: how many more mass murders of kids do there have to be before the US changes its spots on this issue?

I agree. I don’t agree to gun prohibition and gun censure

 

[Matt Black]

It seems that problems at least here with guns began when we transitioned due to the Industrial Revolution from a predominantly rural agrarian society into an urbanised one: you don't need to do much hunting in a city!

[ETA reply to EWT re Welsh ancestors]

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It's quite clear that those in charge don't care about the people of this country, they are more concerned with the fact that people in this country own guns. Whether you support Trump or not mass shootings were rare under his admin, since Biden was placed into office they have become frequent. And in most cases the perp was posting things on social media, or was reported by others and the authorities did nothing, almost as if they wanted it to happen...

You raise an interesting point. One that never crossed my mind till now.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It seems that problems at least here with guns began when we transitioned due to the Industrial Revolution from a predominantly rural agrarian society into an urbanised one: you don't need to do much hunting in a city!

[ETA reply to EWT re Welsh ancestors]

They lived in the very heart of the Pocono Mountains …. And they were coal miners. Deer meat supplemented their income and fed the kids…a good thing.

 

[SavedByGrace]

some hard facts

FBI: 61 'active shooter incidents' reported in 2021, 52% jump from 2020

 

[Conan]

"Pro-life"? Clearly this expires at birth for anyone supporting this madness

Perhaps you are promoting the madness. Instead of proposing a real solution you want to promote an idea that absolutely will not stop this madness, and does not help the unarmed students. Perhaps your gun free zones victimizes students, instead of helping to protect them.

We will not sell our freedoms to those that promote this madness. Those that want gun control are the same ones making war on other countries. Our 40 billion dollar war making bill could have easily provided all public schools with a blanket of protection. Instead the money goes to fighting Russian with the last Ukrainian.

 

[Wingman68]

Charlton Heston:

"Every time our country stands in the path of danger, an instinct seems to summon her finest first — those who truly understand her. "When freedom shivers in the cold shadow of true peril, it's always the patriots who first hear the call. "When loss of liberty is looming, as it is now, the siren sounds first in the hearts of freedom's vanguard. The smoke in the air of our Concord bridges and Pearl Harbors is always smelled first by the farmers, who come from their simple homes to find the fire, and fight, because they know that sacred stuff resides in that wooden stock and blued steel -- something that gives the most common man the most uncommon of freedoms. "When ordinary hands can possess such an extraordinary instrument, that symbolizes the full measure of human dignity and liberty. That's why those five words issue an irresistible call to us all, and we muster. So -- so, as, ah, we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed -- and especially for you, Mister Gore: From my cold dead hands!"

 

[AustinC]

First, guns are one tool that people use to kill other people. Guns are not evil, just as a car is not evil, but the humans using them are evil.
Second, to use a car one must get a license to show they are trained to use the car. The car must be registered with the State to show it is legal to be used and it must be insured.

Why, therefore, should we not require that anyone using a gun go through training and be licensed? Why should every gun not be registered and any gun user go through a background check to purchase a gun and use a gun? This seems reasonable and beneficial to society.

I think Steve Kerr expresses what the majority of people in the US believe about gun control. Let's have a federal background check on the purchase of guns and the licensed right to use a gun.

 

[Matt Black]

Perhaps you are promoting the madness. Instead of proposing a real solution you want to promote an idea that absolutely will not stop this madness, and does not help the unarmed students. Perhaps your gun free zones victimizes students, instead of helping to protect them.

We will not sell our freedoms to those that promote this madness. Those that want gun control are the same ones making war on other countries. Our 40 billion dollar war making bill could have easily provided all public schools with a blanket of protection. Instead the money goes to fighting Russian with the last Ukrainian.

The "madness" to which you refer seems to have worked over here in stopping mass shootings in schools, so I don't follow your 'logic'.

 

[Conan]

First, guns are one tool that people use to kill other people. Guns are not evil, just as a car is not evil, but the humans using them are evil.

TRUE!

Second, to use a car one must get a license to show they are trained to use the car. The car must be registered with the State to show it is legal to be used and it must be insured.

Why, therefore, should we not require that anyone using a gun go through training and be licensed? Why should every gun not be registered and any gun user go through a background check to purchase a gun and use a gun? This seems reasonable and beneficial to society.

In what way would this have stopped the texas shooter? I'm all ears? He already violated Texas gun laws. How would the above had stopped him?

I think Steve Kerr expresses what the majority of people in the US believe about gun control. Let's have a federal background check on the purchase of guns and the licensed right to use a gun.

Dear God will the lies never cease! We already have federal background checks for purchasing guns you ninny. Quit telling the lies of the anti's. Quit spreading false rumors please. Walk into any gunshop anywhere in America they will do a background check. ITS been that way since Reagan was shot. Thats along time ago. For me, I've been through all those background checks.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Background Checks on All Gun Sales | Everytown Research & Policy

 

[Aaron]

Dear American

School mass shootings don't happen here anymore because we reformed our gun laws. When are you going to?

Yours

Free (particularly to go about my business without getting shot and free to let my kids go to school without worrying about them being shot) UK citizen

How are your abortion stats? Do you think children are really safer in the UK?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When did we eradicate the Prayer-in Schools policy?

My elementary school started the day with prayers! Is it because these shooters have no ‘Thou shall not kill’ consciousness!?!

 

[Matt Black]

How are your abortion stats? Do you think children are really safer in the UK?

More whattaboutery but, seeing as you raised it, with the pending abolition of Roe -v- Wade, parents of unwanted children just have to wait until they're school age in the US - or, if they really can't wait that long, just let them play with a perfectly legal firearm in the comfort of their own home.

Remember, "pro-life" only lasts until birth...

 

[Matt Black]

When did we eradicate the Prayer-in Schools policy?

My elementary school started the day with prayers! Is it because these shooters have no ‘Thou shall not kill’ consciousness!?!

Nope. We don't have prayers in school either...but don't have mass killings in them

 

[Matt Black]

They had names....and families

BBC News - Texas shooting victims: 'The sweetest little boy I've ever known'
Texas shooting victims: 'The sweetest little boy I've ever known'

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Nope. We don't have prayers in school either...but don't have mass killings in them

Nor do you have God in the schools either… but now I am interested in the UK’s position on abortions… can you supply me information on that?