Featured The Catholic Church Is Not Entirely False And Does Worship The Biblical And Historical Jesus As God

Very nice! I have much respect for your thoughts on this issue. If only the rest of us (myself included) could take this same high road more often.

 

There was no refiguring of the scriptures. There was, however, an unbiased reading of the scriptures and a questioning of the interpretations provided by the church at Rome. Rome despised anyone that would question its authority and thus sought to shame Luther. What Rome did in the 4th through16th century is no different than what Muslim leaders do to Muslims who question their authority. They just kill them. Owning the wrongs of the Roman church is a first step, Adonia.

 

Haaaaaaaaa! And you have a great sense of humor. (And good timing, just like Jack Benny!)

 

No one argues that the church of Rome didn't take power and demand allegiance from other churches. I agree with the historic usurpation by the church at Rome.

The liturgies of Rome were hardly established in 155 CE and even so, there is zero reason to believe such ceremonies were universal, biblical, or required by God for salvation.

Luther simply asked the question...why?

 

I knew you would say that. And now we don't need to go down the road of who killed who as regards straying from one's religious belief's. I know you are well aware of the Catholic priests in England and the faithful orthodox believers elsewhere who were hung, drawn and quartered, or otherwise subject to separating souls from bodies in the most heinous of ways.

 

History repeats itself when we fail to know what happened before.

No one is arguing against this statement. You are deflecting.

Your view is incorrect. Indulgences teach that you can buy someone out of an imaginary place called purgatory. It's not like tithing at all. Poor comparison on your part.

Your perception is it's an attack. My perception is that I am questioning your reasoning and your unquestioning nature in regard to the church at Rome. I merely ask you and others to question what you are being taught. Secondly, we don't win anyone over to God. God either makes us alive in Christ or he doesn't. Our task is to speak the truth of reconciliation to rebels as an ambassador of Christ's Kingdom.

We don't lead men to Christ. We do, however, share the good news as expressed in 1 Corinthians 15:1-3.

Indeed, nothing is accomplished. You can ignore the conversation if you wish.

I agree. Let us leave emotions on the side. This is an issue of sound, biblical doctrine.

A cult is defined as having one leader that demands complete obedience to the dogma s/he espouses. The Roman church can legitimately be defined as a cult.

It is not for any of us to condemn a person to hell. It is right to share scripture, which tells us that we are all hell bound unless God pardons our sins via Yeshua's atonement and grants spiritual life to our dead in sins spirit.
Has God made you alive in Christ apart from anything you have done?

 

Peter is referred to as a little rock. Jesus refers to himself as the Big Rock upon which the church is built. You and I are also little rocks if we are adopted by Christ Jesus. We are the same bricks as Peter.

The Roman church has butchered the interpretation of that passage of scripture.

 

The tying of the church to the state has had horrible repurcussions. We see the same horrors today within Islam.

 

Interesting that you put the ellipses at the end of this phrase, when it's actually the passage that precedes the phrase that sets the context for the phrase.

 

Good point, as he just might well be using them to affect change!

 

The Spirit would NEVER give the theology of the RCC, as that would mean that he was going against Himself!

 

NOT the officially teaching/doctrine of the RCC, as it is Apostate! All of those people in there are enslaved pretty much, until the Lord opens their eyes and gives them the real Gospel and freedom!

 

If A Church claimed to be Christian, and yet teaches another and false Gospel, Paul stated that they were to be?

 

The 66 canon Books were all recognized and being used pretty much by the end of the first century, so the RCC did NOT create them!

 

So quote it from Official Catholic Doctrine, then look at the Apologetics.

I did that. Didn't find what I expected. Of course, if you are looking hard enough to find something, chances are you are going to find it. Then, perhaps, spend countless hours on a forum trying to convince other people this is what they believe...

We don't? Who exactly are you pointing men to?

What, and miss out on aggravating a few people?

Gee, that sounds like...every group out there.

I'm particularly fond of "If you don't quit your faith group and join mine you are destined to an eternity of Hell...!"

Then so can every other group. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Seriously, though, perhaps that is how you define a cult, whereas I define a cult as any group that (specifically) errs as to Who Jesus Christ, the central figure of Scripture...is. There is a bit of a difference in this Age because prior to the New Covenant God gave respect to those among the Gentile (Pre and Post Law) that performed the works of the Law written on their hearts. But in this Age "faith in God," formerly acceptable, has given way to specific faith in Christ, and specifically faith in the Resurrection.

So I identify a cult by those who pervert the Knowledge of Christ. This would properly include religions that flatly deny veracity of the Lord.

Absolutely. It was not a decision for me to acknowledge God was True when He showed me my sin, His Righteousness, and my destiny. That generated my response which was to plead with Him to forgive me, and save me from that judgment.

He did that.

It is a little like writing a post. I could say, MennoSota, you are in fact a very offensive fellow, and in doing so, I can create a response from you that perhaps you think you are above (getting angry by a personal remark on a forum). The response was not something you decided beforehand to do, and it may be that it was well without your power to refrain from that response. Or, I could say, "I see you are, my friend, a very sincere believer, who like me, has a burden for souls and the truth of God's Word, and want to do everything you can while you are here to make the numbers of the lost smaller than it was before you were saved." Again, a response will likely issue forth, and again...you are not the one that generated that response...I was.

So too with God enlightening the natural man to the truth of the Gospel, He reveals the truth, and we respond. It is typical for men to respond within the capacity of a nature that has not the eternal indwelling of God, which is why Christ's teaching overwhelmingly reflect a many/few ratio.

So yes, God has made me alive in Christ wholly apart from my cooperation or contribution, I could not, even if I wanted to, contribute to Christ dying on the Cross. That is the means of salvation, and that Work was accomplished by God Alone.


God bless.

 

Does the Church of Rome teach the same Gospel God revealed to the Apsotle paul?

 

You would have to show me where Paul states that a church that claims to be Christian and teaches another and false Gospel...is/were to be.


God bless.

 

I have asked you several times to present a Catholic presentation of the Gospel, then critique the error you find in it. You haven't done that, yet a Catholic on here has presented a statement of faith that I could see nothing that differed from Protestant declarations. Nothing in there that I would view as cultish, or containing error that would stand above errors in Protestant/Reformed/Evangelical doctrinal positions.


God bless.

 

The council of trent, and that is OFFICIALLY the stance of the RCC regarding salvation, states that if ANY preach the message that we are saved by faith alone grace alone, that is a damnable heresy!
really, either they are right and we must come back to the real Mother church, or they are Apsoste, no middle ground!

 

paul did state that if ANYONE preaches other than the true Gospel, let them be damned, so think he would be very against the RCC!