The Catholic Church Is Not Entirely False And Does Worship The Biblical And Historical Jesus As God

[Adonia]

I know, as sad thing is that the RCC denies the truth that the Reformation sought to bring back to the church!

The truth of what? Let's see, which books of the Canon of Holy Scripture does not fit my new doctrines said Martin Luther. That is all we had here, one man whose belief was that HE had all the answers. He opened up a can of worms where other men who didn't agree with him opened up their own Christian sects.

 

[Walter]

In other words, you lied.



So do you have a link for this claim or are you lying about this, too?



You've just lied twice so how do we know you're not lying now?

What brilliant argument did you make to convert these alleged converts?



Not likely as I usually post in the music section.



It is called "BAPTISTBoard" for a reason. If it offends you so that Catholics are not allowed to defend Catholicism here, then are you equally offended that virtually every Christian who goes to Catholic.com ends up being banned for, in the words of the moderators when I was banned from there, "promoting doctrines contrary to Catholicism"?

Or is this just more of the typical "I can be as obnoxious as I want to Christians but play the victim card anytime somebody objects to Catholicism's beliefs" whining?

As it stands now, you lied about me, then lied about me again, have been unable to show any scripture to back up Purgatory, the assumption of Mary, the sinlessness of Mary, Mary's "ever-virginity", infused righteousness, or any of the other bizarre beliefs that make up Catholicism.

 

[Walter]

You've just lied twice so how do we know you're not lying now?
Not lying at all. I have read your postings here (when you did a lot o posting in this forum) and on Catholic.com. You post with the same mocking and name calling as you did then. You have called me a liar and a non-Christian. I rest my case. As I said,
I am not going to dig through threads in which you posted on Catholic.com years ago to find the Nast you posted.

What brilliant argument did you make to convert these alleged converts?

I didn't make any arguments and I was one of the ones that was converted. Thinkingstuff, and others along with him. Your weak responses to people like Thinkingstuff, Carson Weber, et al made me dig deeper into the Catholic faith.

This may be a 'Baptist Board' but this is not a 'Baptist Only Forum'. What is this particular forum for anyway? Just for people like you to mock and belittle those that don't want to play your games. Every one of the 'objections' you listed to the Catholic Church has been discussed over and over in this forum ad nauseam and fortunately I was able to determine for myself that the Catholic Church answers for those objections could be biblical defended but were believed long before the date you believe the Catholic Church began.

 

[Walter]

BTW, I know you find it incomprehensible that a Baptist would convert to the Catholic faith (as you said 'alleged converts' let me add Lori4dogs to the list of Baptists who joined this board and converted to the Catholic Church along with myself, Thinkingstuff, and ones I cannot remember. There were others that converted to the Orthodox Church as well. DHK once commented that it was because of conversions to the Catholic/Orthodox/Anglican Churches that made him regret that Catholics were ever allowed to come here in the first place. I guess I am lying about that too!

 

[Linda Davis]

The question I want to ask anyone who is professes to be a believer regardless of what their denominational persuasion is, " if you died tonight do you know without a shadow of a doubt that you would be in the presence of the Lord?"

 

[Walter]

The question I want to ask anyone who is professes to be a believer regardless of what their denominational persuasion is, " if you died tonight do you know without a shadow of a doubt that you would be in the presence of the Lord?"

I have repented of my sins and trust in Christ for my salvation. On Christ the solid rock I stand . . .

And yet, there is at least one participant on this thread that says there is no such thing as a Catholic Christian. Your thoughts, Linda?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I have repented of my sins and trust in Christ for my salvation. On Christ the solid rock I stand . . .

If you believe that all that is required for salvation is repentance and trust in Christ, then the Council of Trent has declared you anathema.

And yet, there is at least one participant on this thread that says there is no such thing as a Catholic Christian. Your thoughts, Linda?

I would tend to agree with them. If a Catholic is a Christian, then they're a Christian in spite of Catholicism, not because of it.

 

[notadoctor]

On the basis of what Jesus Christ said as He established the Universal Christian Church here on earth.

...and from what source do we know that Jesus Christ established this Universal Church?

 

[utilyan]

Wait, are you now claiming I don't believe in the bodily resurrection of believers?


He doesn't believe that. He believes that one must work all their sins away.

It's interesting that he believes we will be able to do that in Purgatory when the whole point of Purgatory is that we aren't able to do it here.

I never stated that. Show where I said that. I don't believe your intention is to LIE. If your going to argue what I believe even make up what I say how am I suppose to debate that?

In fact for all I know God will hose you down with a garden hose. The point is the bible says as a sinner you can't enter heaven because nothing impure can enter, PERIOD.

I'm saying you don't have your story straight.

All you got to do for me to be on board with you is to say NO THE BIBLE IS WRONG THERE WILL BE SINNING IN HEAVEN.

OR SINNING IN HEAVEN THEN it stops there.


Just read revelations 21. Google this. Even your own top theologians will say there is no sinning in heaven.

The problem is you guys never thought this through, We're already ahead of the curb.


The minute you say well we do stop and it happens in a place outside of heaven, your at the very roots of purgatory.

An ignorant person gets thrown off by the word purgatory. All it is Latin for cleansing.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I never stated that. Show where I said that. I don't believe your intention is to LIE. If your going to argue what I believe even make up what I say how am I suppose to debate that?

In fact for all I know God will hose you down with a garden hose. The point is the bible says as a sinner you can't enter heaven because nothing impure can enter, PERIOD.

I'm saying you don't have your story straight.

All you got to do for me to be on board with you is to say NO THE BIBLE IS WRONG THERE WILL BE SINNING IN HEAVEN.

OR SINNING IN HEAVEN THEN it stops there.


Just read revelations 21. Google this. Even your own top theologians will say there is no sinning in heaven.

The problem is you guys never thought this through, We're already ahead of the curb.


The minute you say well we do stop and it happens in a place outside of heaven, your at the very roots of purgatory.

An ignorant person gets thrown off by the word purgatory. All it is Latin for cleansing.

If you choose to believe the Catholic false gospel, then that's up to you.

 

[Walter]

If you choose to believe the Catholic false gospel, then that's up to you.

JohnDeereFan, have you ever heard of John Henry Newman? Consider reading about his conversion story. There are many contemporary Catholic converts from your Baptist faith including Baptist pastors. However, this is just what John Henry Newman established in his book An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

He looked at Christian beliefs through the ages. Starting with the nineteenth century (he was writing in 1844), he worked backward century by century, seeing if Catholic beliefs existing at any particular time could be traced to beliefs existing a century before. Back and back he went, until he got to New Testament times. What he demonstrated is that there is a real continuity of beliefs, that the Catholic Church has existed from day one of Church history, that it is in fact the Church established by Christ.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

JohnDeereFan, have you ever heard of John Henry Newman

Yes.

Consider reading about his conversion story. There are many contemporary Catholic converts from your Baptist faith including Baptist pastors. However, this is just what John Henry Newman established in his book An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

Honestly, I don't really care. "Pagan converts to paganism" isn't really much of a news story.

the Catholic Church has existed from day one of Church history, that it is in fact the Church established by Christ.

False on both counts.

 

[Adonia]

...and from what source do we know that Jesus Christ established this Universal Church?

[Edited]

This is not what scripture preaches. The catholics (I was one), also add in many man-made rules such as sacriments, goddess worship (mary the queen of heaven), popery (nicolatin hierarchal rule), and many other sins. They also are into sun worship (monstrance, wafer host, sunday worship, xmas). They added in much paganistic practices such as christmas and easter which her protesting daughters still do. The list can go on and on.

[Edited]

Ex-Catholics are often the worst when it comes to their former faith tradition. Basically the only thing they now have is believing in another interpretation of the Holy Scriptures by other men and they run with it. On the reverse, I never hear of people who convert to the Latin Rite denigrate their former non-orthodox faiths, instead they look to them with gratitude for giving them a good start in their spiritual outlook.

 

[Adonia]

JohnDeereFan, have you ever heard of John Henry Newman? Consider reading about his conversion story. There are many contemporary Catholic converts from your Baptist faith including Baptist pastors. However, this is just what John Henry Newman established in his book An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine.

He looked at Christian beliefs through the ages. Starting with the nineteenth century (he was writing in 1844), he worked backward century by century, seeing if Catholic beliefs existing at any particular time could be traced to beliefs existing a century before. Back and back he went, until he got to New Testament times. What he demonstrated is that there is a real continuity of beliefs, that the Catholic Church has existed from day one of Church history, that it is in fact the Church established by Christ.

Sorry, but our friend will not let the facts get in the way of what he believes. The idea that he could rationally and honestly look at the Christian faith as a whole like John Henry Newman did is laughable, preferring instead to go with those who arrived on the scene over 1400 years down the road, disregarding all things before that renegade priest nailed his notice on the wooden door of the cathedral.

 

[Darrell C]

The ONLY Person who has the right to reveal and illuminate the scriptures is the Holy Spirit, as he authored them and knows what He intended to say to us, not any church!
Each Chriatian has that ministry from Him available to them!

We are not talking about illumination, Yeshua. We are talking about who can interpret Scripture properly and that is only those who are of the Church, because only Spirit led men can properly understand the Word of GOd.

And there is a system of leadership in the Church that there might be discipline. So the point is this: I can understand why the discipline of the Catholic Church, which stands in great contrast to some of the fellowships that are out there, might appeal to certain believers. And it is not hard to see why a congregation would count that their leadership knows what they are talking about. Its much like children and their parents, they look to their parents for guidance. And just like that relationship, we should all, as children (babes in Christ), mature, and begin by reason of use (study of God's Word) learn to discern good and evil for ourselves, which is where, not just Catholics, but all groups have a problem with. The primary problem being indoctrination, and the tendency most have to justify the beliefs of their leadership without judging those things which might be in error. But again, it is natural for children to defend their parents, even as it is natural for parents to defend their children ("My Johnny wouldn't do that! lol).


God bless.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Sorry, but our friend will not let the facts get in the way of what he believes. The idea that he could rationally and honestly look at the Christian faith as a whole like John Henry Newman did is laughable.

Sorry you feel that way.

I sincerely doubt you'd have lasted ten minutes in any of my seminary classes.

 

[Adonia]

We are not talking about illumination, Yeshua. We are talking about who can interpret Scripture properly and that is only those who are of the Church, because only Spirit led men can properly understand the Word of GOd.

And there is a system of leadership in the Church that there might be discipline. So the point is this: I can understand why the discipline of the Catholic Church, which stands in great contrast to some of the fellowships that are out there, might appeal to certain believers. And it is not hard to see why a congregation would count that their leadership knows what they are talking about. Its much like children and their parents, they look to their parents for guidance. And just like that relationship, we should all, as children (babes in Christ), mature, and begin by reason of use (study of God's Word) learn to discern good and evil for ourselves, which is where, not just Catholics, but all groups have a problem with. The primary problem being indoctrination, and the tendency most have to justify the beliefs of their leadership without judging those things which might be in error. But again, it is natural for children to defend their parents, even as it is natural for parents to defend their children ("My Johnny wouldn't do that! lol).


God bless.

Your understanding nature is why I like your posts. Likewise, while I defend my faith tradition, I can understand why others have gone in a different direction. We all are Christians after all, striving to lead holy and pleasing lives for God.

 

[Adonia]

Sorry you feel that way.

I sincerely doubt you'd have lasted ten minutes in any of my seminary classes.

I only feel that way because of your posts. We are not pagans as you continually claim - we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as God Incarnated on this earth, as the Savior, as my Savior and we follow the Scriptures as they have been revealed to us.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

I only feel that way because of your posts.

The fact remains that you are not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer and, as a result, are not in any position to criticize somebody's ability to examine facts.

Like I said, you would not have lasted ten minutes in any of my seminary classes.

- we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as God Incarnated on this earth, as the Savior, as my Savior and we follow the Scriptures as they have been revealed to us.

Mormons and JWs say the same thing.

 

[Linda Davis]

I have repented of my sins and trust in Christ for my salvation. On Christ the solid rock I stand . . .

And yet, there is at least one participant on this thread that says there is no such thing as a Catholic Christian. Your thoughts, Linda?

That was not what I asked. I asked if you died today do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you would be in the presence of the Lord?