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The Catholic Church Is Not Entirely False And Does Worship The Biblical And Historical Jesus As God

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Adonia

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This is not what scripture preaches. The catholics (I was one), also add in many man-made rules such as sacriments, goddess worship (mary the queen of heaven), popery (nicolatin hierarchal rule), and many other sins. They also are into sun worship (monstrance, wafer host, sunday worship, xmas). They added in much paganistic practices such as christmas and easter which her protesting daughters still do. The list can go on and on.

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We are into "Son" worship, yes the Son of God, or God Incarnated here on earth. The Apostles themselves held true to this, as did the whole Universal (Catholic) Christian Church as it evolved in the early centuries. This denial of Jesus's Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist came about over 1400 years later by a person named Huldrych Zwingli, a dissenter of the first Christian dissenters. You are the one who has strayed badly into a terrible falsehood that will have bad consequences for your immortal soul.
 

Jason1

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Nothing here about the Lord's death equating to the Torah.

And once again you add to the Word of GOd, changing the text to suit your cult's doctrine.




No-one denies the Word of God is food, what the question asks is for you to support your statement to the effect "The WORD 0or Word) equates to His Flesh.

The Word in view here is coming from the Lord, but is not the Lord.



Again, no equation of "the Torah" and the WORD of God.

John 6 is specific to belief in Christ in His Salvific Ministry.

You corrupt that.




Still no "The Torah=His Death.




No, Jason, The Incarnation does not equate to the Torah.

The Old Testament Saint (under Law) had the Word of God...but they did not have the WORD of God.

That is why we call the passages that foretell His arrival...Prophecy.

And when the WORD did come...

...they rejected Him.

Just as they rejected the Word of God.

The "Torah" you preach is like unto a stream muddied by the trampling of men.




Jesus is the WORD made flesh.

There was no "Torah" given unto men when the Son of God created the World, and that...

...is the Torah you are seeking to turn men away from Christ with.




Basic does not quite cover it.

While we might say "The Word=Torah," because this is very true in certain passages (meaning made clear), we do not say "The WORD (the Son of God)=Torah," or that "The WORD=the Word." The Word is a result of the WORD, just as your posts are a result of you.

When men are given power to become the sons of God, it is not because they worship the written word, it is because they, as Christ teaches in John 6...believe on Christ in regards to His death:


John 6:49-51
King James Version (KJV)

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.



The True Bread is the Person of Christ, the Son of God.

The "fathers" had the Torah...and died.

The Torah did not provide Eternal Life. Not then, not now.

The True Bread gives everlasting life, and that Bread is Christ's Flesh, which was offered up to atone for man's sin, that he might be reconciled to God.


God bless.
The blind can't see because they refuse to.

The Word is indeed Torah (Where else are His words found?)

Job_22:22 Please accept the Torah from His mouth, and lay up His words in your heart.

Isa_8:20 To the Torah and to the witness! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because they have no light.
 

Adonia

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While that's a problem, I don't think it's the biggest problem. Catholics believe in works-based and man-centered salvation.

Sorry, we believe in the complete teachings of Christianity. We do not discard one over the other. We believe in having faith AND good works, and in a belief in the truth of the Holy Sacraments that impart graces that help us live holy and pleasing lives for God.
 

Jason1

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We are into "Son" worship, yes the Son of God, or God Incarnated here on earth. The Apostles themselves held true to this, as did the whole Universal (Catholic) Christian Church as it evolved in the early centuries. This denial of Jesus's Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist came about over 1400 years later by a person named Huldrych Zwingli, a dissenter of the first Christian dissenters. You are the one who has strayed badly into a terrible falsehood that will have bad consequences for your immortal soul.
Pray to Mary for me. 3 rosaries
 

Darrell C

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The blind can't see because they refuse to.

This si true. This would be why some would look at logos and see Torah.


The Word is indeed Torah (Where else are His words found?)

Try reading the Word you next post:


Job_22:22 Please accept the Torah from His mouth, and lay up His words in your heart.

Job is not referring to the Written Word, but to that directly spoken of by God.

There is a simple principle taught in Scripture, Jason, and that is that God writes His Law on the hearts of men, and that He reveals Himself to all men...

...even Gentiles that do not have the Torah.



Isa_8:20 To the Torah and to the witness! If they do not speak according to this Word, it is because they have no light.

Gosh, someone who seeks to condemn others...because they won't join their cult.

That's a new one around here...


God bless.
 
I would have to disagree that the Roman Catholic Church worships Jesus since they reject his gospel. They have another Jesus, another spirit, and another gospel (2 Co. 11.4).
The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like another Jesus to you? Luther did not even believe that the Catholic Church worships another Jesus.
 

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A Bible believing Christian cannot attend Mass, and the teachings of the Roman Church are contrary to scripture, and heretical.

During Mass, they re-crucify Christ, this is what it is, we know Christ was sacrificed once for all time, the Godly for the un-godly, and while in the OT they needed atonement each year, Christ atoned for our sin, ONCE FOR ALL, then sat down at the right hand of the Father as high priest to those being saved.

Most Roman Church members and Protestants don't really know what the Roman Church actually believes, this is how salvation works in RCC. One is baptized, at this time they are perfect, they have attained enough "Merit", pay attention to this word, so that God would be unjust to not allow them into Heaven. Now if they sin, they kill this grace in them, so they go to a Priest (Not our High Priest), but a sinful man, they confess the sin, and if they do certain works, IE saying "Hail Mary" X amount of times, or other works, if they do this, they will gain back MERITS. Why do they pray to Mary or the Saints? They figure that Mary has so many extra merits, as do the saints, that they can do a sort of cosmic monopoly, so Mary passes off X amount of merits, St. Ignatius kicks in Y amounts of Merits, and now you .have so much Merit that God looks at you, thinks "this guy has so much MERIT, I must let him in". I'm sorry I'm sick I have to wrap up, I have one eye closed, but already we have massive heresy.

They never know if they are saved, all go to Purgatory, the great believers maybe a week or month, the average Church or Rome member could be thousands of years to somehow burn off sin (Which of course like everything else un-biblical). It's a big scam, puts man in charge, robs God of Glory. Jesus said two men went to the temple, one a Pharisee,he said "I thank you God that I am not like other men, I fast 3 times a week, I give to the poor, and I'm not like this tax collector, meanwhile a despised tax collector (Tax collectors in those days were despised because they would assess what they wanted, they'd often keep the difference, so not only working for Rome, but enriching themselves), yet this despised sinner wouldn't even raise his head to Heaven and said "God have mercy on me, a sinner", I tell you THIS TAX COLLECTOR WENT TO HIS HOME JUSTIFIED" HEAR THE WORD, JUSTIFIED=Just, right with God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Church of Rome offers no good news, blasphemes Christ, re-crucifies Him weekly, and believe GOD OWES THEM, it's a whore, and Protestants I have news for you, THE REFORMATION IS STILL ON, Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Deo Gloria, don't buy this "Oh we're pretty much the same", we even have a different Jesus, our Jesus is a mighty savior who ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED HIS PURPOSE, "All that the Father draw WILL COME, and all who come I will NEVER CAST AWAY". How many times, in how many places, does God have to say we are saved by FAITH ALONE for us to actually believe Him?

Sometimes we need it all laid out like this...thanks for keeping it real.
 

Yeshua1

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Roman Catholics never denied the necessity of grace for salvation. They denied the sufficiency of grace for salvation.
Great point, as they see salvation is by Grace, but that death of jesus alone not enough, as we still need to co operate with Him to save us!
 

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The Apostles and Nicene Creeds state "We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God". Does that sound like another Jesus to you? Luther did not even believe that the Catholic Church worships another Jesus.
They have the right jesus, but the wrong Gospel!
 

Calv1

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Sorry my friend, you're simply wrong, it's re-crucifying Christ. This is why the Church teaches bread turns into real bodily flesh, and wine miraculously into real human blood. Jesus NEVER meant for us to LITERALLY EAT HIS BODY, what did the disciples, can't even go there so gross, "EATING", and "DRINKING" refer to faith, and to eat and drink, so to speak, both in.

No, we do not "re-crucify" Christ - that happened but once. We hold true to what Christ tells the faithful to do, to "re-present" that day on Calvary. "Do this in memory of me" and "This is my Body", "This is my Blood" proclaim the Scriptures!

The Bible says it, the Universal (Catholic) Church teaches it, and Christian history going back 2000 years proves it. The Mass existed for over a thousand years before your sect was even formed. You are completely and totally misguided on the issue.
 
A Bible believing Christian cannot attend Mass, and the teachings of the Roman Church are contrary to scripture, and heretical.

During Mass, they re-crucify Christ, this is what it is, we know Christ was sacrificed once for all time, the Godly for the un-godly, and while in the OT they needed atonement each year, Christ atoned for our sin, ONCE FOR ALL, then sat down at the right hand of the Father as high priest to those being saved.

Most Roman Church members and Protestants don't really know what the Roman Church actually believes, this is how salvation works in RCC. One is baptized, at this time they are perfect, they have attained enough "Merit", pay attention to this word, so that God would be unjust to not allow them into Heaven. Now if they sin, they kill this grace in them, so they go to a Priest (Not our High Priest), but a sinful man, they confess the sin, and if they do certain works, IE saying "Hail Mary" X amount of times, or other works, if they do this, they will gain back MERITS. Why do they pray to Mary or the Saints? They figure that Mary has so many extra merits, as do the saints, that they can do a sort of cosmic monopoly, so Mary passes off X amount of merits, St. Ignatius kicks in Y amounts of Merits, and now you .have so much Merit that God looks at you, thinks "this guy has so much MERIT, I must let him in". I'm sorry I'm sick I have to wrap up, I have one eye closed, but already we have massive heresy.

They never know if they are saved, all go to Purgatory, the great believers maybe a week or month, the average Church or Rome member could be thousands of years to somehow burn off sin (Which of course like everything else un-biblical). It's a big scam, puts man in charge, robs God of Glory. Jesus said two men went to the temple, one a Pharisee,he said "I thank you God that I am not like other men, I fast 3 times a week, I give to the poor, and I'm not like this tax collector, meanwhile a despised tax collector (Tax collectors in those days were despised because they would assess what they wanted, they'd often keep the difference, so not only working for Rome, but enriching themselves), yet this despised sinner wouldn't even raise his head to Heaven and said "God have mercy on me, a sinner", I tell you THIS TAX COLLECTOR WENT TO HIS HOME JUSTIFIED" HEAR THE WORD, JUSTIFIED=Just, right with God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Church of Rome offers no good news, blasphemes Christ, re-crucifies Him weekly, and believe GOD OWES THEM, it's a whore, and Protestants I have news for you, THE REFORMATION IS STILL ON, Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Deo Gloria, don't buy this "Oh we're pretty much the same", we even have a different Jesus, our Jesus is a mighty savior who ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED HIS PURPOSE, "All that the Father draw WILL COME, and all who come I will NEVER CAST AWAY". How many times, in how many places, does God have to say we are saved by FAITH ALONE for us to actually believe Him?
Well I am a Catholic who is a Born Again Bible believing Christian and I attend Mass every Saturday Vigil Mass. Of course I reject and repudiate all the unscriptural doctrines and unscriptural parts to the Mass and I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass. I receive the bread and the cup of wine but I do not state "Amen" before receiving the bread and the cup of wine as that would be acknowledging the doctrine of transubstantiation. When I receive the bread and the cup of wine I imagine it to be the way the Lutheran Church teaches about Holy Communion. I also attend a small local Baptist Church on Sunday mornings where I go to Adult Sunday School before worship, where I fellowship with individuals before worship, where I will be Baptized via immersion on 21 May and where I am involved in various church activities like going to soup lunches and other meals after worship.
 

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Yes, they do, very much believe in those things. So much that their own Council of Trent declared anyone who believes one can be saved without Catholicism's salvific works to be anathema.

And your works aren't done even once you're dead. According to CCC1475, the purpose of Purgatory is for the sinner to expiate his own sin.
The Council of Trent taught that we are saved by grace. They also taught that sacraments are the way grace is freely given. Trent taught what the Bible teaches that no one is justified by faith 'alone".
Only the saved go to Purgatory where final sanctification takes place. Sanctification is a work of God not human works apart from God.
 

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A Bible believing Christian cannot attend Mass, and the teachings of the Roman Church are contrary to scripture, and heretical.

During Mass, they re-crucify Christ, this is what it is, we know Christ was sacrificed once for all time, the Godly for the un-godly, and while in the OT they needed atonement each year, Christ atoned for our sin, ONCE FOR ALL, then sat down at the right hand of the Father as high priest to those being saved.

Most Roman Church members and Protestants don't really know what the Roman Church actually believes, this is how salvation works in RCC. One is baptized, at this time they are perfect, they have attained enough "Merit", pay attention to this word, so that God would be unjust to not allow them into Heaven. Now if they sin, they kill this grace in them, so they go to a Priest (Not our High Priest), but a sinful man, they confess the sin, and if they do certain works, IE saying "Hail Mary" X amount of times, or other works, if they do this, they will gain back MERITS. Why do they pray to Mary or the Saints? They figure that Mary has so many extra merits, as do the saints, that they can do a sort of cosmic monopoly, so Mary passes off X amount of merits, St. Ignatius kicks in Y amounts of Merits, and now you .have so much Merit that God looks at you, thinks "this guy has so much MERIT, I must let him in". I'm sorry I'm sick I have to wrap up, I have one eye closed, but already we have massive heresy.

They never know if they are saved, all go to Purgatory, the great believers maybe a week or month, the average Church or Rome member could be thousands of years to somehow burn off sin (Which of course like everything else un-biblical). It's a big scam, puts man in charge, robs God of Glory. Jesus said two men went to the temple, one a Pharisee,he said "I thank you God that I am not like other men, I fast 3 times a week, I give to the poor, and I'm not like this tax collector, meanwhile a despised tax collector (Tax collectors in those days were despised because they would assess what they wanted, they'd often keep the difference, so not only working for Rome, but enriching themselves), yet this despised sinner wouldn't even raise his head to Heaven and said "God have mercy on me, a sinner", I tell you THIS TAX COLLECTOR WENT TO HIS HOME JUSTIFIED" HEAR THE WORD, JUSTIFIED=Just, right with God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Church of Rome offers no good news, blasphemes Christ, re-crucifies Him weekly, and believe GOD OWES THEM, it's a whore, and Protestants I have news for you, THE REFORMATION IS STILL ON, Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Sola Deo Gloria, don't buy this "Oh we're pretty much the same", we even have a different Jesus, our Jesus is a mighty savior who ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED HIS PURPOSE, "All that the Father draw WILL COME, and all who come I will NEVER CAST AWAY". How many times, in how many places, does God have to say we are saved by FAITH ALONE for us to actually believe Him?
You have a very strange idea of what the Catholic Church teaches. There are too many errors in your post to even address them.
 

Calv1

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Well I am a Catholic who is a Born Again Bible believing Christian and I attend Mass every Saturday Vigil Mass. Of course I reject and repudiate all the unscriptural doctrines and unscriptural parts to the Mass and I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass. I receive the bread and the cup of wine but I do not state "Amen" before receiving the bread and the cup of wine as that would be acknowledging the doctrine of transubstantiation. When I receive the bread and the cup of wine I imagine it to be the way the Lutheran Church teaches about Holy Communion. I also attend a small local Baptist Church on Sunday mornings where I go to Adult Sunday School before worship, where I fellowship with individuals before worship, where I will be Baptized via immersion on 21 May and where I am involved in various church activities like going to soup lunches and other meals after worship.

Yeah I recommend you just leave the Roman Church, get into a solid Protestant Church, PLEASE
 

Calv1

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The Council of Trent taught that we are saved by grace. They also taught that sacraments are the way grace is freely given. Trent taught what the Bible teaches that no one is justified by faith 'alone".
Only the saved go to Purgatory where final sanctification takes place. Sanctification is a work of God not human works apart from God.
Anyways best!
 

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Well I am a Catholic who is a Born Again Bible believing Christian and I attend Mass every Saturday Vigil Mass. Of course I reject and repudiate all the unscriptural doctrines and unscriptural parts to the Mass and I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass. I receive the bread and the cup of wine but I do not state "Amen" before receiving the bread and the cup of wine as that would be acknowledging the doctrine of transubstantiation. When I receive the bread and the cup of wine I imagine it to be the way the Lutheran Church teaches about Holy Communion. I also attend a small local Baptist Church on Sunday mornings where I go to Adult Sunday School before worship, where I fellowship with individuals before worship, where I will be Baptized via immersion on 21 May and where I am involved in various church activities like going to soup lunches and other meals after worship.
If what you say is true, you are not a Catholic but a heretic. You can't validly go to Mass with your kinds of beliefs.
 

Calv1

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You have a very strange idea of what the Catholic Church teaches. There are too many errors in your post to even address them.

Give me ONE, I'm a expert in Roman Theology. So easy to make a broad statement like that, let's see if you can back it up.
 

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I'm not a Greek scholar, so please explain
Eph. 2: 28 says that grace is the gift OF God. .....not FROM God but OF God. 1 Peter 1:4 calls grace a partaking of the Divine nature. Paul calls grace the "love of God that has been poured into our hearts" Romans 5:5
Grace actually makes us righteous. Romans 5:19
Simply put grace is God's Divine assistance that is infused into our soul that makes us go from a child of Adam to a child of God. We are regenerated by grace which causes us to conform our will to His will so that we can keep His commandments, love God and neighbor. But we can fall from grace and be cut off from Christ (Gal 5: 4) . This is why Scripture warns born again saved believers that if they commit certain sins they will not inherit the kingdom of God.
We can be restored back into grace by once again repenting and confessing our sins.
Grace is NOT God choosing to save me rather than damn me. Grace is not God's compassion or kindness. Grace is God Himself infused into our soul.
 

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Give me ONE, I'm a expert in Roman Theology. So easy to make a broad statement like that, let's see if you can back it up.
You said, "During Mass, they re-crucify Christ, this is what it is, we know Christ was sacrificed once for all time"

If you are an "expert" in Roman Theology then you know your statement is false. Please quote from the Catechism or an official document that says that. That notion is as silly as me saying that Protestants make Jesus bleed again and again so that they can be washed in His blood. Christ shed His blood once for all.

Just as it is the same blood that saved you it is the same sacrifice at the Mass.
 
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