The five points of Calvinism and Eternal Security.

[Reformed1689]

Now, what you need to know is I have been on this board a long time. To me you are a newbie.

He's been here for five years and you still consider @Reynolds a newbie? That's just dumb. Great you have been here for over a decade? WHO CARES?

 

[Reformed]

I will answer you in separate posts as time allows.
I honestly do not care whether or not you put me on your ignore list with the others. I will lose not one second of sleep over it. Time on the board would actually be much more peaceful.

I honestly do not care how long you have been posting here.

Others can be the judge of your one liners.

Others can be the judge of my characterization of the video.

Others can judge as to whether I repeat adhominems. (Maybe if many people tell you the same thing, you ought to listen.)

How can I judge a man who has for his avatar one of America's greatest generals; one who was not only a great tactician but also a man who loved the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Yeshua1]

Well, technically the term "free will" is not found in the word of God. Man is self willed as opposed to doing God's will.
God's election is conditionaly, as I stated, being unmerited on the part of being elect.

Not caused by God seeing us placing faith in Jesus as the condition to elect us...

 

[Revmitchell]

I will answer you in separate posts as time allows.
I honestly do not care whether or not you put me on your ignore list with the others. I will lose not one second of sleep over it. Time on the board would actually be much more peaceful.

I honestly do not care how long you have been posting here.

Others can be the judge of your one liners.

Others can be the judge of my characterization of the video.

Others can judge as to whether I repeat adhominems. (Maybe if many people tell you the same thing, you ought to listen.)

I didn't say I was going to put you on ignore. Unlike others I do not announce it.

 

[Revmitchell]

The two verses you quote can not happen until God awakens man from his dead state in sin.
Ephesians 2:1-6
Romans 8:7
Romans 14:23
John 6 :44
John 6:33
Ephesians 2:1-2

As to corporate election, if you will be so kind as to be specific about what exactly you refer, I will answer. Nations? Tribes? All who are Christians?

No no you need to go back and address your post that I originally quoted. Youve ignored it so far. I answered your questions now deal with it.

 

[Reynolds]

No no you need to go back and address your post that I originally quoted. Youve ignored it so far. I answered your questions now deal with it.

This is the process of addressing it. I have addressed and dealt with your first point. Your turn to refute. Why move to further points when your first point is off the rails?
Before I can address the harmony, or lack of, in your position; you must clarify election.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is the process of addressing it. I have addressed and dealt with your first point.

No no I asked you to defend your statement:

"If you move any degree toward the middle, your doctrine crumbles."

Now please defend it.

Why move to further points when your first point is off the rails?

First you have not prove it is off the rails you just made a claim and posted some scripture references. That is not proof. You need to break it down using each scripture reference you used and show me they support your claim.

 

[Reynolds]

No no I asked you to defend your statement:

"If you move any degree toward the middle, your doctrine crumbles."

Now please defend it.



First you have not prove it is off the rails you just made a claim and posted some scripture references. That is not proof. You need to break it down using each scripture reference you used and show me they support your claim.

Clarify your position on election.
Your doctrine has already crumbled because your view of depravity is thoroughly proven impossible by the scriptures I posted. They need no commentary.

 

[Revmitchell]

Clarify your position on election.

I see. You cannot defend your claim. It was just another "snarky" post made toward those with whom you disagree. Further, corporate election is not a new invention. Your asking about it this way only shows once again you don't know doctrine. You may know about some doctrines but you don't really know them.

 

[Reynolds]

I see. You cannot defend your claim. It was just another "snarky" post made toward those with whom you disagree. Further, corporate election is not a new invention. Your asking about it this way only shows once again you don't know doctrine. You may know about some doctrines but you don't really know them.

There are several doctrines on corporate election that are all meaningfully different. Which one do you subscribe to? Clarify.
I am not leaving the door open for you to change horses in midstream as we move down the road.

 

[Revmitchell]

There are several doctrines on corporate election that are all meaningfully different. Which one do you subscribe to? Clarify.
I am not leaving the door open for you to change horses in midstream as we move down the road.

If you move any degree toward the middle, your doctrine crumbles.

Still waiting

 

[Reynolds]

Still waiting

You don't know what your belief on corporate election is?

 

[Revmitchell]

You don't know what your belief on corporate election is?

Ok well you made a claim. You cannot defend it. I am done with you.

 

[Reynolds]

Ok well you made a claim. You cannot defend it. I am done with you.

In other words, you are scared to articulate your position in a concise enough manner for it to be refuted in debate.
Your position on depravity crumbled under the weight of Scripture. Articulate C.E. and it can be next.

What you call "traditionalism" is more founded in psychology and philosophy than scripture. It is strong on appeal to emotion and weak on scriptural support.

 

[37818]

Not caused by God seeing us placing faith in Jesus as the condition to elect us...

It is caused by God, ". . . through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: . . ." -- 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

 

[37818]

". . . corporate election . . . ." ". . . .According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: . . ." -- Ephesians 1:4.

 

[John I Morris]

One does not need to know the five poinst of Calvinism to hold to Eternal Security.

On the five points, as I hold them, not being a Calvinist in my view point.
Total Depravity.
Mankind on their own do not seek or understand God. Romans 3:11.
Unconditional Election.
One of the principle conditions of God's election of His elect is they do not merit being elect.
Unmerited yes. Not unconditional. Ephesians 1:4.
Limited Atonement.
That is patently false. Christ's death for sin is for the whole world. 1 John 2:2. 1 John 5:19.
There is no "believer's world" as such. Not Biblical.
Irresistible Grace.
God's grace is available to all men, Titus 2:11. There are those who persist to resist God's sanctifying Spirit, Acts 7:51. Men cannot take credit for faith in Christ, but are fully to blame for their rejection of God's grace.
John 16:7-11.
Perseverance of the Saints.
God who saves, keeps those whom He saves. John 10:26-29.
Noting 1 Corinthians 13:7 with 1 John 4:7.

Being totally honest, you Calvinist crack me up with all of your silly comments. God allows you a choice, you make it, God seals it. How hard is that? The angels had a choice, because they were created beings, they made it, God sealed it. Jude 6
What part of "whosoever" do you not get? What part of "God is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance."? If God has to control everything in order to be God, then next car accident, flat tire, trip up or down stairs, just thank God that that is over. Since He made it happen. Salutations

 

[1689Dave]

Being totally honest, you Calvinist crack me up with all of your silly comments. God allows you a choice, you make it, God seals it. How hard is that? The angels had a choice, because they were created beings, they made it, God sealed it. Jude 6
What part of "whosoever" do you not get? What part of "God is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance."? If God has to control everything in order to be God, then next car accident, flat tire, trip up or down stairs, just thank God that that is over. Since He made it happen. Salutations

But God works in us to will and do what he wants us to do.

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.” (Philippians 2:13)

 

[37818]

Being totally honest, you Calvinist crack me up with all of your silly comments. God allows you a choice, you make it, God seals it. How hard is that? The angels had a choice, because they were created beings, they made it, God sealed it. Jude 6
What part of "whosoever" do you not get? What part of "God is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance."? If God has to control everything in order to be God, then next car accident, flat tire, trip up or down stairs, just thank God that that is over. Since He made it happen. Salutations

The problem is men who resist God's Spirit, 2 Thessalonians 2:13; Acts of the Apostles 7:51.

 

[Iconoclast]

In other words, you are scared to articulate your position in a concise enough manner for it to be refuted in debate.
Your position on depravity crumbled under the weight of Scripture. Articulate C.E. and it can be next.

What you call "traditionalism" is more founded in psychology and philosophy than scripture. It is strong on appeal to emotion and weak on scriptural support.

Yes,exactly right. Check and see what uncle Leighton is posting on his podcast and then you would have what RM. Believes