The Flat Earth myth and the Bible.

[FollowTheWay]

Uh, he died?

John and I are not self-righteous. Our righteousness is in Christ, our Lord and Savior. I trust yours is too.

You don't seem to know all that much about the bible judging by the posts you have put in this thread.

I am certainly no scientist, but prior to being called into ministry my first vocation was in Nuclear Engineering. That gave me a fair understanding of science and math.

I have a MS in Eng. from Stanford and retired last year after a 40 year career starting with a NASA contractor and mostly working for Bell Labs, Bellcore, AT&T Labs and AT&T Mobility. I am a Deacon, Sunday School teacher, sing in the choir, greet and have done lay preaching in retirement homes for about 9 years (last 6 one Sunday a month). My twin brother is an ordained Baptist minister having graduated from the SBS after a 10 year career as a corporate financial analyst (MS Econ/MBA). When we were growing up I was the Youth Week Pastor and my brother was the YW Assistant Pastor in our church in Louisville (about 800 - 1,000 attendance).

 

[TCassidy]

Is does prove that there are sum atomic relationships between metals. That being that the sub atomic array alignment of molecules in metals creates attraction.

That is called "magnetism" and has nothing to do with the shape of the earth nor the movement of the Fourcault pendulum.

When i was crossing the equator in the Navy on the ships the toilets did not spin backwards as the rotation of water as it is draining is not affected by the Coriolis effect, the water flows according to the designers design on the base of the toilet of sink

Non-sequitur. And guess what causes Coriolis? Yeah. That's right. The fact that the earth is a rotating globe. And water in a toilet or bathtub is insufficiently large to display Coriolis patterns. But if you look at wind patterns you see an excellent demonstration of Coriolis storms. The word Cyclone refers to the cyclonic nature of these huge storms, with wind blowing counterclockwise in the Northern Hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere. The opposite direction of circulation is due to the Coriolis effect.

In the fourcault pendulum the fact that the ball only swings in one line actually proves the earth is not spinning thru space.

It doesn't "only swing in one line." It precesses all around a circle proving the earth is a sphere rotating on its axis.

As in a pear shaped globe spinning at 60,000 mph I think if you will study the 24hour time snapshots they provide on the Foucault pendulum — Geophysics Homepage you might be amazed as to what you may actually seeing.

If you would learn some 4th grade science you would know that the earth rotates on its axis (spins) at 1000 miles per hour, not 60,000 miles per hour. The 60000 miles per hour number refers to the earth revolving (not rotating - spinning) around the sun.

Darwin published a book in 1859 On the origin of species by natural selection.

Which has nothing to do with the shape of the earth. Once again you try to change the subject because you have been proven wrong.

Well i have posted 70 scriptures casting down the globe earth.

None. Not one. None of them proves a flat earth. That has already been disproved.

 

[TCassidy]

I have a MS in Eng. from Stanford

I highly doubt that.

 

[TCassidy]

Now you're questioning whether Moses died?

No, I am not. But once again you display an alarming failure to understand simple sentences.

The reason Moses's death is recorded at the end of Deuteronomy is that he died. Understand now?

If he had not died his death and burial would not have been recorded at the end of Deuteronomy.

 

[Joseph shall add]

The sub atomic arrangement of molecules in metals has nothing to due with magnetic properties. When you can explain this you may have gained some wisdom. When in the Navy on many different occasion the ocean would become still for hundreds of miles, as in a mirror surface. No waves and no Motion. Which means the moon was not affecting it. 100 percent flat surface. TCassidy as i am sure you know about vectored rotational forces acting upon a balanced spherical earth i will not bother to tell why this indicates a none spherical body. The simple problem being that a pear shaped earth would not allow for the sea or oceans to be 100 percent still. We have all seen ponds that are still. But seeing a sea or a ocean be still for hundreds or miles will stay with you. And because of that fact i will never dough the earth is indeed flat for a moment.

Being that many sailors can confirm the same thing. If you have ever seen a salt flat that is covered by a thin layer of rain water. We always anchored our ship when ever we ran into flat water. Think about being in a ship that is anchored sitting in the middle of a ocean or sea and seeing that all the way around you in every direction for hundreds or miles. And this is one of the reason the scriptures state Nature testifies of the things of God.

So science tell you the earth is moving in the path like a cork screw rotating around the sun, That the earth axis is tilted at 24.5 degrees relative to the earths spin. Of course they will revise this as they do every few years. So much for science. They are not just saying the earth is rotating at 1000 mph. They are saying the earth is moving in a cork screw pattern at 70,000 km/hr chasing the sun. Wonder how them comets ever catch up with us. Of course you do not feel any of this as you are a chimp created by Darwin's imagination. And they have CGI to prove there latest imaginations. And of course there is a stellar wind in a vacuum. And space is a vacuum they claim. But we never get blown off course. Because we have wind suits. And we been to the moon even if it was a movie set.

Go out side at night and look up and say if I am spinning at 70,000 km/hr in a cork screw pattern why are those stars not moving any faster. And why do i see them every night again. Of Course they may not be stars at all. Could be you are in a closed system stable as can be. Not moving at all.

The jet stream is what determines the direction of the wind. Coriolis effect must be moody as storms all over the earth rotate in either direction..

 

[Joseph shall add]

A idiom is how foolish people try to disprove what God is saying or implying. God indeed is wiser then we. He is not wasting his time when giving us clues about the earth. Could be you folks are straining at a Nat while trying to swallow a elephant. God tell you via scripture over and over that the earth does not move. He tell you it sits upon pillars and is as a footstool. He tell you he sits in the north above the earth. And that he sits on the circle of the earth. And he states that he looks upon all his creation at once. From one spot he look unto the whole earth. And he states when Jesus comes for us all will see him coming at once. Which could not happen on a globe. God even tells you the stars will fall to the earth. So you know they to be small. The duck bill platypus should let you all know God messed with man of science quote a bit.

 

[FollowTheWay]

No, I am not. But once again you display an alarming failure to understand simple sentences.

The reason Moses's death is recorded at the end of Deuteronomy is that he died. Understand now?

If he had not died his death and burial would not have been recorded at the end of Deuteronomy.

If Moses was dead how did he write his own obituary. Please stop calling me names and use your "brain." I highly suspect your statement that you were an engineer.

 

[FollowTheWay]

A idiom is how foolish people try to disprove what God is saying or implying. God indeed is wiser then we. He is not wasting his time when giving us clues about the earth. Could be you folks are straining at a Nat while trying to swallow a elephant. God tell you via scripture over and over that the earth does not move. He tell you it sits upon pillars and is as a footstool. He tell you he sits in the north above the earth. And that he sits on the circle of the earth. And he states that he looks upon all his creation at once. From one spot he look unto the whole earth. And he states when Jesus comes for us all will see him coming at once. Which could not happen on a globe. God even tells you the stars will fall to the earth. So you know they to be small. The duck bill platypus should let you all know God messed with man of science quote a bit.

An amazing statement in the 21st century. God is far beyond what you describe. He does not "sit in one spot." he exists everywhere. He is outside time and therefore can see from eternity past to eternity future at a glance. You're trying to put the Almighty God in your little box. He doesn't fit. Hallelujah. He is not telling us that the earth does not move. Do you think the people in Moses' time would understand the complex movements of the earth, moon and stars in an infinite and expanding universe? He tells us the essential fact, that He is God and sovereign over all.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Well lets see what the God of creations states about it in his word.
Psalms 100:5 You who laid the foundations of the earth. So that it (the Earth) should not be moved forever.
So in this one scripture we have been told the earth does not MOVE. And how could it it has pillars below it.

Actually maybe i will give you folks some hidden wisdom. They tell you that in the center of the earth is a molten lead ball. But there is not any proof of that at all ( modern fiction). The Globe earth is also modern fiction. The planet be flat and it does not move. In all engineering there has never been taken into account any curvature of the earth. The reason is it is flat. You live in a world of corruption. NASA is a part of that system. And NASA is NAZI Germany transplanted. The space race never was. It was all fiction and it has been proven fiction over and over. The only thing that is truth in this world is God word. And you can bank on it all day long.

Sir Issac Newton produces a number of theories about the natural world. And not one of them is a law. Example is there such a thing as gravity. You live in a ocean of H20. Things float in bodies of water. And H2O is a body of water. So you have buoyancy at work not gravity. If gravity was really so power full that it keeps everything down on the earth. How is it millions of birds are not affected it. Balloons over come it daily. And it sure seems fickle. It does not exist. You simple do not need the law of gravity to explain how buoyancy works. Newtons work has been shown to be flawed many times.

Newton's second law error.The second law states that F = ma, with the assumption that m, the mass, is constant. This fails for high velocities. The Einstein equation is
F=dp/dt" role="presentation">F=dp/dt where p" role="presentation">p is the momentum. At low velocities, p=mv" role="presentation">p=mv and so, at low velocities, we can write
F=mdv/dt=ma" role="presentation">F=mdv/dt=ma
The agreement at low velocities is called the correspondence principle. But at high velocities (using differential calculus):
F=dp/dt=d(mv)/dt=vdm/dt+mdv/dt=vdm/dt+ma" role="presentation">F=dp/dt=d(mv)/dt=vdm/dt+mdv/dt=vdm/dt+ma
This is the replacement law. Here I am taking m as the "kinetic mass", equal to the rest mass times γ" role="presentation">γ. The value of gamma" role="presentation">gamma is
γ=1/(1−v2/c2)" role="presentation">γ=1/(1−v2/c2)−−−−−−−−−√
so if the velocity is changing (which it is), then m" role="presentation">m is changing with time too.

You believe in a flat earth but now you're correcting Sir Isaac Newton. This is a classic(ally ridiculous) post.

 

[TCassidy]

If Moses was dead how did he write his own obituary.

He didn't. It was probably written by Joshua.

Please stop calling me names and use your "brain."

I haven't called you names and I am the one using his brain.

I highly suspect your statement that you were an engineer.

Suspect all you please, I really don't care. I am fairly sure you have already figured out that I don't value your opinions all that highly.

 

[FollowTheWay]

He didn't. It was probably written by Joshua.

I haven't called you names and I am the one using his brain.

Suspect all you please, I really don't care. I am fairly sure you have already figured out that I don't value your opinions all that highly.

Nor I yours. BTW, that's a form of name calling. This was more straightforward: #69TCassidy, Yesterday at 4:59 PM.

 

[Bro. James]

Has anyone figured in the polarity of the agonic declination and point to point changes in magnetic permeability which can have a profound effect on circular magnetism? Longitudinal magnetism may have similar reactions. The answer lies in how many gausses one has per cubic centimeter standing half way between True North and Magnetic North. Make sure your gauss meter has a valid calibration.

My back azimuth is toward heaven. Which way is up?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I resent and reject your characterization of this statement. Who do you think you are? I'll give you a clue. You're not the Judge but you'll have a chance to talk to Him one day.

That is one of the most judgmental and none corrective things I have ever heard leveled against me. You make it feel like you are going to heaven and I am going to hell, and that you'll celebrate that I got mine in the afterlife from the imaginary Master you follow. You offer no hand out for repentance at all, and seem quite content to let me go to hell for eternity because I got you angry.

I bow out of this thread because the bible tells me not to argue with someone who is foolish (Proverbs 29:11, Proverbs 29:9, Proverbs 20:3, Proverbs 14:7-9, Proverbs 23:9).

I beseech you though, to turn to the real Master of a literal reading of the bible. The Master who lived and lives and reigns over history, and Whose Words, called the bible, are trustworthy and true as written. Words given directly by God and which are therefore flawless (2 Timothy 3:16).

 

[robycop3]

I was in the USN, CINCPAC. It was always an intriguing sight to see a large ship sailing away from yours. As it moved farther away, it'd begin to sink over the horizon, its masts & superstructure being the last to go. It's the opposite when a ship approached yours.

I went up in a chopper several times to practice water rescue & treating a patient aboard a chopper in cramped conditions. When the chopper gained altitude, we could see the other ships in our squadron that were outta sight at sea level.

The horizon line at sea near the water's surface is between 26 & 27 miles. One can see the tall parts of a large ship when it's some 30 miles away.

And a jetliner flight should end all doubt about a round earth. One can see out the window & know the window doesn't curve or distort incoming light, and see the curvature of the earth as the plane reaches cruising altitude.

And, of course, the atmosphere rotates at the same speed as the planet itself. If the earth's rotation were suddenly stopped, the atmosphere & all unattached objects, including us, would continue on at the earth's former rotational speed, most likely being slammed into a mountain, etc. at over a thousand MPH!

 

[robycop3]

Isauah 20:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

 

[annsni]

Wow. Just wow. I just came back from a 4 day trip on our boat. It is interesting how on a boat, you will suddenly see a stick at the horizon. What is that stick? Oh - as you get closer, you see a box under that stick. It still looks really weird. But as you get closer, you begin to see lower and lower on the object until you realize it is a large ship. You saw the mast and then you saw the cabin top and then you finally see the hull. Or you see these globs of dark green spotting the horizon. As you get closer, the bottoms of the globs begin to get bigger and start to come together and finally you see - it is land and all one piece. You had seen the tops of the trees on the hills but you couldn't see the land because it was hidden - under the horizon.

I think I need another cup of coffee to actually comprehend that there is someone on this beautiful sphere of an earth that thinks it is flat!

 

[annsni]

I was in the USN, CINCPAC. It was always an intriguing sight to see a large ship sailing away from yours. As it moved farther away, it'd begin to sink over the horizon, its masts & superstructure being the last to go. It's the opposite when a ship approached yours.

I went up in a chopper several times to practice water rescue & treating a patient aboard a chopper in cramped conditions. When the chopper gained altitude, we could see the other ships in our squadron that were outta sight at sea level.

The horizon line at sea near the water's surface is between 26 & 27 miles. One can see the tall parts of a large ship when it's some 30 miles away.

And a jetliner flight should end all doubt about a round earth. One can see out the window & know the window doesn't curve or distort incoming light, and see the curvature of the earth as the plane reaches cruising altitude.

And, of course, the atmosphere rotates at the same speed as the planet itself. If the earth's rotation were suddenly stopped, the atmosphere & all unattached objects, including us, would continue on at the earth's former rotational speed, most likely being slammed into a mountain, etc. at over a thousand MPH!

EXACTLY what we experience every time we are out on the boat.

 

[FollowTheWay]

I was in the USN, CINCPAC. It was always an intriguing sight to see a large ship sailing away from yours. As it moved farther away, it'd begin to sink over the horizon, its masts & superstructure being the last to go. It's the opposite when a ship approached yours.

I went up in a chopper several times to practice water rescue & treating a patient aboard a chopper in cramped conditions. When the chopper gained altitude, we could see the other ships in our squadron that were outta sight at sea level.

The horizon line at sea near the water's surface is between 26 & 27 miles. One can see the tall parts of a large ship when it's some 30 miles away.

And a jetliner flight should end all doubt about a round earth. One can see out the window & know the window doesn't curve or distort incoming light, and see the curvature of the earth as the plane reaches cruising altitude.

And, of course, the atmosphere rotates at the same speed as the planet itself. If the earth's rotation were suddenly stopped, the atmosphere & all unattached objects, including us, would continue on at the earth's former rotational speed, most likely being slammed into a mountain, etc. at over a thousand MPH!

One of my favorites is the account of John Glenn, the first American to orbit the Spherical earth. He was and is my hero, a great American. I just watch this YouTube account and once again my eyes were filled with tears when the communication resumed and the parachute deployed.

 

[FollowTheWay]

We could really use more Congressmen like the great patriot and Christian, John Glenn.

 

[FollowTheWay]

That is one of the most judgmental and none corrective things I have ever heard leveled against me. You make it feel like you are going to heaven and I am going to hell, and that you'll celebrate that I got mine in the afterlife from the imaginary Master you follow. You offer no hand out for repentance at all, and seem quite content to let me go to hell for eternity because I got you angry.

I bow out of this thread because the bible tells me not to argue with someone who is foolish (Proverbs 29:11, Proverbs 29:9, Proverbs 20:3, Proverbs 14:7-9, Proverbs 23:9).

I beseech you though, to turn to the real Master of a literal reading of the bible. The Master who lived and lives and reigns over history, and Whose Words, called the bible, are trustworthy and true as written. Words given directly by God and which are therefore flawless (2 Timothy 3:16).

What do you expect when you label my statements as being "straight from the very pit of hell and are doctrines of demons" We're talking about the shape of the earth not the divinity of Christ.