The Glorious "Gospel of Election"

I can't argue with this James. Of course God knows all things and I agree that neither you or I or anyone else knows what hand God has in everything.
This came up over those who have power over you. I believe that scripture is talking about God and His ministers and workers, but still through God.
We are supposed to render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, but it all don't belong to Ceasar. Ceasar would take it all, if we let him. I believe in paying my taxes, obeying the laws of the land, until they go against the Law of God. So you see, it is God that has all power, not some president we put in to lie and steal from us.

BBob,

 

I know and we still don't agree............:laugh:

BBob,

 

Nope! Not unless Christ is still bound, as well in His grave C\clothes!

And the last I checked, from what I've read, I believe the Lord left His grave clothes behind, in the tomb!

Although over the years, I have seen a lot of Christians that seem to want to become "grave robbers" for shrouds, for some reason!

Ed

 

That is the inward man Ed. This outward man (flesh) is still waiting on his change. If we already had our fleshly change, we wouldn't have to die.

Rom 8:10And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Rom 8:23And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.

BBob,

 

Bob,

If you have the time, listen to this by John Piper. Its a make believe story by Piper showing how God works through the bad to make it to His glory. Its a very good story and worth a listen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EnfxHQYWQQ

 

:wavey: :godisgood: :thumbs:


peace Bob...

 

:thumbs:..............:wavey:

 

The bold print is the key I believe. God appointed him to the position of king. He was not a godly king. He threw the three Hebrews into the fiery furnace.
till he knew that the most high God ruled in the kingdom of men, and that he appointeth over it whomsoever he will.

Notice the words "He appointeth". That is God appoints the leaders in the earth. Pharaoh persecuted and killed many of God's people, yet he was raised up by God. Hitler persecuted and killed the Jews. I'll agree it was awful, but Bro. Bob, in the Old Testament those same people were delivered by the hand of God to be persecuted and killed by their enemies. So my answer is yes. God had a time for these people to exist just as much as any other. Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

As to your last comment about using the Old Testament? Those things are as much the Word of God as any Scripture in the Bible. And when God Almighty says that He appointeth whomsoever He Wills to rule over the kingdom of men. I believe Him. I'll remind you that those ten commandments are a part of the Old testament, do you think they have been done away? No hostility intended, but I feel that you think it wrong to reference the Old Testament ? Is that right?

I am not going to argue about the sin thing with you on this thread, we will save that for another.raying::smilewinkgrin:

 

No, I just would like you to use present time or NT every once in a while to prove your argument, like right now, can you name a King, Leader or Ruler in today's time that God put in rule????

Let me ask you again, have you not read where the first was done away with to make room for the second??

Sure I believe in the Commandments, but I believe they were all mentioned in the NT.

BBob,

 

Dear Brother Ed,
We are still in our grave clothes.
bro. Dallas:wavey:

 

I can no more find names in the Bible of the modern time that God appointed any more than I could find your name or mine as being a child of God. I just read where believers in Christ are saved & claim God's word on it. And like I said God says He appointeth whomsoever He Wills to rule in the kingdom of men. I believe that. I believe He appoints good men and bad men. They are ALL appointed of God according to what He said about it. Do you find any NT verses that say He has stopped appointing them?
And yes I know that the Old covenant has been replaced by the New. And you know WELL that I do not only use Old Testament Scriptures to make my case.

 

Do you believe that 9/11 was attributed to God, for those who flew the planes were following their leaders commands?? So, did they do the will of God??
Are you prepared for this jne; you can see where it is going. I just want you to be sure that you are willing to stand by what you have said that God picks the good and bad leaders of the earth. To make sure I quote you exactly I will paste your remarks:

Was God in on Kennedy's death also?


I have already told James and will tell you that if God has a purpose to appoint someone He will, He is God and can do whatever He wants. This started because I do not believe God commanded us to follow the leaders of the world, but to follow the leaders of the Church of which they receive their power from Him and He is the only Power. Satan has power, did God give that power to Satan or just allow him to have it? I believe we are to keep the laws of the Land, as long as they are not against the Laws of God.

I am saying this scripture is talking about God and His ministers and leaders.

Hbr 13:17Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.

BBob,
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Bro. Bob. God destroyed the WHOLE race of men in a flood of waters, burnt Sodom to ashes, etc. Great events in the Word of God. Events mentioned and used in the NT for examples. 9/11 was mild compared to these things.

For the record. I believe that if God had not Willed these things you mentioned, they could never have come to pass.

Bro. Bob. Paul in the New Testament teaches us that Satan himself is restrained by God. If Satan does not have free course to do above and beyond God's dominion, I know men do not.

I feel I may be steering this thread off course. Maybe we can talk of this more another time. I have not had much time to get on here lately.

 

jne; I am going to stop this discussion here. I do not believe God had a part in 9/11.

God allows things and let them happen, but this does not mean He takes a part in them. This was done by evil men and Satan.

We are not to obey such men if it is sin period. I know you mean well, but think you have just worded this wrong. :wavey:

God Bless,

BBob,

 

Pretty sure the phrase "glorious gospel" occurs only two times in any 'standard' version of Scripture. And I'm also pretty sure that the phrase "gospel of _____" (fill in the variations) appears about 30 times in the same.

I'm absolutely sure the phrase "gospel of election" never occurs in any standard version, but can only be a 'theological construct' used by its 'advocates' in a positive sense, and by its 'detractors' in a negative sense.

Is there anything wrong with using 'Biblical terminology', when attempting to answer 'Biblical questions'?

Just wonderin'!

Ed

 

I think Frog is saying that he has to die before the change comes to the flesh. He is saying that his flesh is perishing every day of his life. IMO

BBob,