Featured The Many Insurmountable Difficulties of Futurism: 144,000 Jewish Male Virgins

I have answered all your questions and I have asked you some that you have not answered. Now if you fail to see or do not understand the answer the fault does not lie with me.

Your questions, once again were:
(1) If the Holy Spirit-filled Church of believers is the Restrainer, why would Paul call the Church ‘he’ when the Church is a ‘she,’ a feminine noun consistent with the teaching that the Church is the Bride of Christ?

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

I answered this already. Why don't you read what I said?
"The restrainer" is the Holy Spirit, who in scripture is referred to as "he."
"He" abides within the lives of believers. HE does not work in a vacuum.
Remember that for the next time you ask.

Next:
(2) If the Holy Spirit-filled Church of believers is the Restrainer, why would Paul not plainly state as much? He uses the noun, ‘church,’ in chapter 1 verse 1:

Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

Why would not Paul plainly say as much? A most ridiculous question!
Why does not Paul simply address you by name and answer all your questions in an epistle with your name on it; after all did not the Lord choose you before the foundation of the earth?
Why did not Paul give a clear statement of the "trinity" and use the word "trinity" for us?
Why, even the word "Christology" is not found in the Bible, and yet we study about Christ, how about that!!
I tell you what. Why don't you get on your knees and ask the Holy Spirit why He didn't inspire the apostles to write the Bible the way you wanted it to be written and not the way that, HE, God the Holy Spirit actually wrote it. I think that is a better idea.

Next:
(3) If the Holy Spirit-filled Church of believers is the Restrainer which Paul had previously taught there would be no need for the Thessalonians to be concerned that the Man of Sin was already revealed.

They were obviously still present on Earth, not having been raptured, therefore the Man of Sin was still presently being restrained and could not be revealed.

Was there not one believer in that church who was not cognizant of that simple fact?

Or did they all have Alzheimer's

--Are you really serious? What is your question here? Do you even have one that makes any sense?
First, he is speaking of a future event.
Second, he is warning if false teachers.
Look at the scripture:
[FONT=&quot]2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,[/FONT] (WEB)
Let no one deceive you Protestant. Unless that apostasy comes first none of these other things will happen (that I am going to tell you about).

I use the Bible. Who do you use? Charles Taze Russell? Joseph Smith?

The Word of God documents my beliefs. That is sufficient. You can't refute it. Therefore you want me to back up my work when I don't have to. It is backed up the Holy Spirit Himself, the author of the Word of God. He is the greatest authority that one can have. He is irrefutable. And you haven't been able to refute what I have said.
The only answer you have come back with is mockery. Sad!

Yes it is. And everyone is wondering Protestant.

 

Has God truly done a work of grace in your heart? If so how and when?
Or, has he just called you here to ask foolish questions?

 

Why is there even a need for evangelists in the "Day of God's Wrath?"
In the "Time of Jacob's Trouble?"
At a time when God "treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."
At a time when the most power, most elite, of the world will be:
"saying[FONT=&quot] to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:[/FONT]"
--What need will there be on any evangelists during this time?
Does it make sense to you now?

Who is this vast majority? Hal Lindsey? some other novelists and film makers? Did you include Mel Gibson of The Passion? Why not?

Look what I posted above. Please tell me why, in this seven year period of God's grace, do you think the world needs to be evangelized. No one will be saved except the remnant of Jews at then end when Christ comes for them.
Why will no one be saved? Because God says so! They are all deceived.
[FONT=&quot]2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.[/FONT]
--All of them! They have rejected the truth! They cannot be saved!

[FONT=&quot]2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:[/FONT]
--God has sent them a delusion. The have believed a lie. What lie do they believe? They believe that the Antichrist is God, and therefore they will all be damned.
No one will be saved. There is no need for evangelists. They are all under God's wrath.

The 144,000 are not evangelists.

Not in The Tribulation!

There will be no preachers of the Word of God in the Tribulation.

That is right. The Tribulation is a seven year period of God's wrath. Have you got that yet.

No one is preaching Jesus. Where do you get that from?

You don't listen. Why are posting here in the first place?

 

I have always said that it is the Holy Spirit as he dwells in believers.
I deny it is the Holy Spirit completely for that would deny the omnipresence of God. Do you see the difference? I have tried to explain that to you many times. God does not work in a vacuum.

When you get to heaven you can ask him why he wrote what he wrote. Or you can pray to God now, or you can complain to him. Do what you want. But not to accept the Bible as it is by faith is sin.

Are you telling God that He is a poor teacher. Kind of arrogant aren't you?

The English language is very flexible as was the Greek. You will find that the Holy Spirit in the KJV is sometimes referred to with a masculine pronoun and sometimes with a neuter pronoun, as the Greek can be used either way.
Example:
[FONT=&quot]Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:[/FONT]
--The neuter gender in the Greek was used, and therefore "itself" is technically not incorrect as a translation.
But the ASV recognized the "error" and translated the same exact Greek word this way:
[FONT=&quot]Romans 8:16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:[/FONT] (ASV)
--Both are correct. It is a neuter pronoun but the masculine gender demonstrates the personality of the Holy Spirit.
--Thus your question is answered in the literalness of the KJV translation.

There is not much that matters to you. Scripture itself doesn't seem to matter to you.

I have explained this chapter to you many times. You have no excuse for not understanding it.

Nonsense. Shortening of time does not restrain evil. Salt restrains evil. That is why they use salt as a preservative. It restrains decay and corruption from setting in. It keeps the product PURE for a much longer period of time.
The Christian is the salt of the earth. By their pure lives they restrain evil. They push it back. The corruption in the nation is restrained. Try prayer. It works.

 

The restariner is NOY human government, or anything else on and of this earth, as he alone can do that, as the Spirit Himself is God!

 

That becomes evident when one reads down just one more verse:
[FONT=&quot]2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way.[/FONT]

Human governments have come and gone. Many nations have been without government for a period of time. Still the Antichrist has not come. But when the Holy Spirit via all believers is gone, then havoc will have its way. Lawlessness will be everywhere. There will be nothing to hold it back. No righteous person will be left on this earth.

 

When the Temple is completed no one knows. It could even be before the Tribulation starts, but as you suggest definitely before the midpoint of the Tribulation when the Antichrist will desecrate it.
Daniel could not foresee what Jewish worship would look like in our day.
MacArthur believes full Levitical worship with temple sacrifices will be re-instituted.
Others don't. With all the environmentalists, organizations like PETA, I fail to see how they would allow Israel or anyone to slaughter animals anywhere, much less in a holy place.
Today they won't even allow the culling of the seal population off the northern coast of Canada. "Save the seal but starve the natives." It is the aboriginal's traditional livelihood. But PETA declares that the worth of seal or animal is the same as the worth of a man. I don't see that philosophy changing much to allow a full sacrificial system.
Perhaps they will have "meal" or food sacrifices.
Judaism will be practiced. They will worship, and their worship will be holy worship. That is what the thought is. Then that worship will cease. The temple will be desecrated. Perhaps he will slaughter something as unclean as a pig and spray its blood everywhere.
Perhaps it will be worse. Human sacrifice. Who knows.

Although not Arabs they are Muslims. And these few Muslims in Pakistan had no problem going into a school full of children and massacring 141 children this last Tuesday. ISIS is just as cruel if not worse.
Out of this chaotic mess of evil one will arise, the Antichrist and will bring a false sense of peace. He is the one in Rev.6 on the white horse. It will allow the Jews to have their temple and their worship. After all, it is their land.

Where is that happening and for what purpose? Do you have documentation?

I have no idea what you are talking about. The Jews live all over the world, not just in Israel. Do you see them sacrificing animals where you live?

If indeed there are animal sacrifices. I have addressed this already. He puts an end to their worship. They become the persecuted. Thus the warnings in Mat.24 are to them: "He that endureth to the end shall be saved." IOW, Christ will come and physically save them, and they also will accept his spiritual salvation. Both will happen.

We all have restraint. Obviously. That is not what the verse is speaking about.

The world worships him because they have been deceived. They believe a lie--that he is god. Read 2Thes.2.

The Bible is not clear about all of them. Most of them will be in the second half, but some may be in the first half of the Tribulation.

No, the Tribulation is not a period of God's grace. It is God's wrath.

Those who believe that the 144,000 are evangelists will naturally think that there is a great in-gathering of souls during this seven year period.
I don't see that. From the statement in 2Thes.2 I don't see anyone but Israel being saved. Adam Clarke, on this passage, states:
"Came out of great tribulation - Persecutions of every kind."
--The phrase means "great affliction." He saw a multitude who came out of every kind of affliction or persecution throughout the centuries. It was a heavenly scene, not necessarily having directly to do with The Great Tribulation.

Probably not. They no doubt are just a part of the remnant.

Though they won't be "evangelists" per se, they may be testimonies of God's grace by a moral life in a wicked world. They are the firstfruits of the redeemed. It doesn't say when they get redeemed. But from that point on the word will no doubt refer to purity in Christ. It no doubt has both meanings. This time of wrath and fleeing from persecution is certainly not the time to be looking for marriage.

One of them is Elijah who is prophesied in Malachi to come. Many think the other one will be Moses, but we don't know for sure.
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.[/FONT]
--They are witnesses. They have power to do miracles. The world hates them. They will "prophecy" for three and a half years, and then they will be killed. The world will rejoice. Their bodies they will leave in the street. They won't even bury them. They will lie there for three and a half days. Then God will miraculously raise them from the dead. They are hated by the world. So is their message.

You are welcome.

 

144,000

They are Jewish evangelists, ordained by God to witness one last time in the Name of Jesus. The salvation of those who believe their testimony results in their removal from the earth ---- salvation by Grace through Faith.

Those saved are not the remnant, the 1/3rd of the Jews caught up in the Trib.

 

Maybe.
Where do you infer that from?

How do you reconcile it with this scripture:
[FONT=&quot]Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.[/FONT]

Are "Jewish evangelists" a great multitude which no man number (not 144,000), from all nations, kindreds and people, and tongues?
That description does not describe a nation called Israel. It describes those who are not Israel--the Gentiles, or Gentile believers from every nation.