"Christ is always referred to as THE son of Mary" ?
Always?
Please list ALL the Scriptures verses where Jesus Christ is called "the son of Mary".
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The New Eve; "the mother of my Lord" [Luke 1:43]
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Please list ALL the Scriptures verses where Jesus Christ is called "the son of Mary".
Walpole
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If you can insist We have a cult of Mary With disregard of what we say otherwise.
I insist you have a cult of Satan. With disregard of what you say otherwise.
Oh yeah you worship your other gods John Calvin and teach Jesus has unconditional hatred for people.
Walpole
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Because it's true.
But feel free to substitute "only" for "always" if that makes you feel better.
---> "Christ is ONLY referred to as THE son of Mary." He is NEVER referred to as A son of Mary.
Walpole
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Perfect!
---> By contrast, Christ is NEVER referred to in Scripture as "a son of Mary."
Unfortunately you are blind, guided by blind, you are in the darkness of the blackness. But the Most High and Almighty God is Light, and in Him is no darkness at all.
Have you never read? Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ, therefore, if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
I know your disguised and hypocrite spirit.
The devilish Roman Catholic Church wrongs and cheats and does it to her own followers. Don’t you know that unrighteous people will have no share in the Kingdom of God?
Don’t delude yourselves, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such are multitudes of you use to do these things, no surprise for the depravity religious world of the Devil is infested of demons and of these kind of devilish works.
Have you never read what the Apostle Peter say?
Forasmuch since the Messiah, the Christ, has suffered for us in the flesh or physically, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; with the result that he lives the rest of his earthly life no longer controlled by human desires, but by God’s will.
For you have spent enough time already living the way the pagans want you to live — in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, wild parties and forbidden idol-worship, or abominable idolatries.
And they think it strange that you don’t plunge with them into the same flood of dissoluteness, and so they heap insults on you or speaking evil of you. But they will have to give an account to Him who stands ready to Judge the living and the dead.
If you had the Spirit of Christ you would discern the difference between the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. The true Christians cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: they cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
Unfortunately, you instead prefer the cup of demons offered in the pagan religion of the Roman Catholic Church. The things which the pagans Gentiles offer are things of devils, and not of God: and I would like that you should not have fellowship with devils.
Only Satan and his religious and satanic structures, the Roman Catholic Church, and his followers, call the mother of JESUS a queen, whose cult is satanic.
By the way, your satanic cult of queen is like the cult of woodoo with the queen of the sea, both cults are satanic.
No, Mary is not beside JESUS, absolutely, Who is beside JESUS is God, His Father. JESUS's mother died and was buried and she is waiting the resurrection of the dead that is to happen soon and now in this seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day.
What you say is what the Devil says and he uses the person of Jesus' mother as the owner of her name, and selling false and satanic images not only of her but of the apostles as well.
See, when the apostle Peter was for a short moment before JESUS possessed by the same spirit of you, which speaks by you, then the Lord JESUS said unto him: Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumblingblock in my path-Mat.16:v.23.
Therefore, Get behind the true Christians, Satan! You are a stumblingblock in the path of the true Christian people, your thinking is not from God’s perspective, but those that be of men and from a satanic perspective!”
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (made them by him) and Lord of lords
Wow thats has convinced me to leave the catholic church. So what faith I am signing up to? Where can I find the official teaching?
Name ONE LIVING PERSON in the entire world who has a better understanding of Christianity THAN YOU DO.
To clarify, there is a cult of Mary within Catholicism and some Catholics say that Mary is co-redemtrix of the universe. Pope John Paul II was a Marist in my opinion.
American Catholics have voted for high taxes and high welfare, which have forced women to work. Catholic politicians who openly support abortion and same-sex marriage are never thrown out of the RCC. Right now the American RCC is hiding assests to avoid paying abuse victims. McCarrick is living in a Catholic facility in Kansas and recently published an interview in Salon. The Amazon Synod is talking about ordaining women. The American RCC has a strong minority of homosexual priests, bishops, and probably cardinals. American Catholics mostly believe in evolution but so do American Protestants. Mary was a sinner like all other descendants of Adam and Noah.
This a prison for sinners and redemption of any who will
JoeT
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It would seem to me that the Moon Goddess wouldn't be in heaven, unless you vacation in wormer climate than I do.
Nebuchadnezzar is called King of Kings, does that mean that Jesus Christ is a bloody king of this world. [Cf. Daniel 2:37]. Are we forbidden from calling Him King of Kings as one already exists in Scripture?
Christ however made us a Kingdom, He is King of Kings [Cf. Apocalypse 1:6; 5:10] . Likewise, Mary is Queen mother. It is only right that the King's Mother should be Queen of Heaven according to societies expectations of the era.
JoeT
Earthly assumptions by men do not rule Heaven. Jesus created the universe and Mary, who was born 4000 years after Adam. Mary was a sinner and died and was buried. Her parents were both sinners, too.
are you going against Jeremiah? Read Jer. 44
Queen of Heaven was a idol why would you use that name for Mary, if it is associate with an idol?
who said Moon Goddess?
Yeah well..... I heard a baptist farted once.
JoeT
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Nebuchadnezzar was called King of Kings, fact not assumption. Jesus Christ is called King of Kings, fact not assumption. Mary is Queen of Heaven, fact not assumption.
The significance of Mary Queen of heaven can be found in Scripture, but only if you understand the significance of the person Mary and Jesus Christ. These two are very special species of man. Mary, created immaculate in the womb of her mother never knew sin. Her birth is the promise and the hope that we too will become like her, a New Eve. The salvation she received through Christ is the very salvation we hope to receive, re-capturing a semblance original justice; or if you please the removal of original sin. This is only done perfectly in the Baptismal founts of the Catholic Church. After receiving this grace, it becomes ours to keep and to exercise in the discipline of faith.
Mary is called Queen of Heaven because of her relationship with her Son; simply her son is the recipient of the Kingdom on earth and the Kingdom in heaven. Her relationship is identical to Bathsheba's relationship the inheritor of David's Kingdom Solomon. Solomon could not deny his queen mother any favor she asked of him as she sat on the throne at his right side. [Cf. 3 Kings 2:17-25] As Solomon is David's son inheriting the throne, so too is Jesus Christ the Son of David. God sends Gabriel who first addresses her has being exceeding blessed 'full of grace', blessed among women. But then Gabriel tell this child she will give a virgin birth to a the Male heir of the throne of David, 'His father, and will reign over the house of Jacob for ever – in case you don't know that's a long time to come. Christ is King of His Kingdom on earth, the Catholic Church, and His Kingdom in Heaven. Mary is the queen of both those Kingdoms and sits at His right side just as Bathsheba, David's spouse sat at the right hand of her son. David the King forsaw things to come writing the psalm:
A canticle for the Beloved. . .Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a sceptre of uprightness. Thou hast loved justice, and hated iniquity: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Myrrh and stacte and cassia perfume thy garments, from the ivory houses: out of which the daughters of kings have delighted thee in thy glory. The queen stood on thy right hand, in gilded clothing; surrounded with variety.
Hearken, O daughter, and see, and incline thy ear: and forget thy people and thy father's house. And the king shall greatly desire thy beauty; for he is the Lord thy God, and him they shall adore. (Psalm 45:7-11)
She is the only human that I know of as kecharitomene, “most favored or highly favored”; a verb describing something that happened to a noun, in the past tense (past perfect participle of charitoo) and continues until this day. The 'perfect' action of the participle is considered to have been completed before the time of the speaker and having an effect today and will continue in the future. Hence when we could translate the phrase “Hail, Mary full of grace” to highly favored in the present we would need to add, “Always”. The Salvific grace was given to Mary prior to the annunciation remains at the annunciation and its radiance remains to this very day today.
No assumption on my part, do you want to revisit your part?
JoeT
I searched an answer for your kind reply. It was very hard, but I think that I found one I present you humbly.
Honestly, I found no ONE LIVING PERSON in the entire world Who has a better understanding of Christianity, not only better than me, but also than all, He is my Lord and Master, JESUS CHRIST, from whom I learned throught His message in Matt.10:v.24-25, saying:
24 The disciple is not above his Master, nor the servant above his Lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord.
God bless you and your family
Mary was a sinner as were all her ancestors and died and was buried. Jesus created the universe and 4000 years later Mary was born.
JoeT
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If I understand your post, you are saying Mary, the Mother of God had original sin. If St. Mary had original sin when she conceived Jesus her Son, Jesus (having in addition to the nature of the Divine the nature of man), would now be born like every man with sin. That's anything but Scripture. Hebrew [Cf. 4:15; 1 John 3:5]. Consequently I hear you say Jesus Christ is born of sin - a condition beyond reality, unacceptable.
Here is an observation that is not doctrinal, but within the confines of doctrinal truth; evidence of Divine work within the physical nature of God’s own creation.
The personification of life starts at conception as human life starts. The male role in procreation merely delivers the 'spark of life' - nothing more. This is the sole function of male insemination. No genetic material remains with the mother's flesh. The 'spark' starts the generative division of cells forming the child from a single cell of the mother's flesh. It eventually forms a wholly rational individual being from a single embryo. The resulting life is indeed the flesh of its mother. The child's veins however are filled with blood generated within him; there is no transfer of blood from the mother to the child. It has long been understood this is the reason the child’s blood type can be different from the mother.
Science identifies fetomaternal cells trafficking in human life throughout the mother’s body. The child’s cells carrying DNA migrate through the walls of the womb lodging in the body of the mother. In some cases these cells live for only months in other cases several years. In the same way the fetomaternal microchimerism found in St. Mary would track eternal life, igniting a spiritual life wholly and completely blessing the mother. Unlike the cells of the human child having original sin and doomed to corruption, we can easily see the physical parallel fetal chimerism cells of Christ are the DNA of divinity and will never die, [God’s plan; Christ, who is God, is not created rather begotten]. Unlike pagan Gods our God is not made, rather begotten. Christ is the Personification of the Grace of Life moving through Mary's body and soul, her entire person is blessed as no other, she never knows sin.
The incarnate Christ, being one of us, a human, is begotten made in this same way as any man, except without sin. God provides the spark of life necessary to generate life, that life was the Personification of His Wisdom, the Logos, perfectly joined with flesh of St. Mary. Christ is the Personification of ‘eternal life' of all graces and our salvation, the blood of the Christ Child is the blood of eternal life. The Person of Christ found in Mary is filled with the living grace, the microchimer cells which are eternal as they come from the eternal host, the host of life.
If St. Mary was not born Immaculate, never knowing sin, then Jesus Christ could not occupy her womb, it would have killed Mary or her son. Sin is death, and our God would have been still born. Thus, St. Mary was born Immaculate, never having known sin.
JoeT
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