The point of intoxication

Actually, I just said that people should not let others judge them for what they drink...and I didn't say it (originally), its found in Colossians. If you are seeing something else in my post, maybe you should check into what you are drinking?:thumbs:

Seriously, I personally do not drink for reasons I stated in a previous post in this thread, and I believe abstinence to be very wise. However, if someone drinks in moderation that does not make them unsaved, that does not mean they preach a different Christ, and that is not really my concern.

I think we need to be very cautious about isigeting scripture to support our modern traditions. Abstinence is a modern tradition for Christianity. This thread has even managed to get someone saying that satan tricks cardiologists in reccomending wine for its medical benefits. Even Paul made that reccomendation (albeit for the stomach). Scripture is what it is and does not need you or I to add to it.

 

All the way back to the first century AD for sure. John the Baptist, a Nazarite, was definitely a teetotaler.

Jesus was a teetotaler also.

 

I have seen some of those social and moderate drinkers with their tongues hanging out or their heads stuck in a commode puking their guts out.
Alcohol is worse than any desease out there. It will destroy more than anything I know from personally experience.
I must admit there are some Scriptures that have given me pause over the years but then I keep reading and read them right out.

Alcohol has broken up more homes, killed more mother's sons and daughters and husbands than all the wars and everything else. I find it hard for Christians to uphold the use of alcohol. Alcohol is a tool of the devil.

There is not a poster on here unless it would be a young person that don't know how that alcohol destroys.

I ask you? How could you possibly worship God with your mind messed up with acohol?

At our church if you want to use acohol then when you are finished you can come back and be baptized and we will accept you back.

 

actually, what I have posted has been perfectly in line with Scripture. Scripture has been given, historical accounts have been given, scientific facts have been cited.

It is not I that have judged, but the Word of God. As was written earlier, Jesus said, 'Judge righteous judgment.'

Any time the message lines up with the Word of God, it is the Word of God that judges.

 

Amen, Brother Bob!

I cannot understand how one who claims to be of God will advocate drinking that which the Word of God expressly forbids in the Christian walk.

Enough has been given to show this.

 

This is interesting...

His Blood Spoke My Name,

I have taken the liberty to examine the church you list as your home. As I went from page to page, I ended up on your church's doctrinal statements and I found this...

Repeated again in another section:

I find it interesting that you are out of step with the church you claim as home on this issue. Not in the specific area of alcohol mind you, as many of us are in agreement that you need to follow you conscience in this area. However, you and some like you have elevated the discussion with the repeated effort to communicate the idea that believers CANNOT consume alcohol... if they do it's a sin and will abide under the wrath of God for all eternity (obligatory organ music playing in the background).

What say you sir... Does Romans 14 suffice, or is there another nugget of wisdom you would care to share.

 

I've been reading this thread and it is very interesting.

I have a question that I just stumbled on, the Bible says in
Colossians 2:16
(16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

This verse has been referenced in this thread...
Now those that say alcohol is not to be touched by a Christian, then what is the "drink" Paul is refering to in this verse?

And why would he write it?

What other type of "drink" would people in Colosse be judging each other over?

I always thought it was refering to alcoholic wine, but can it be refering to another type of controversial drink?

 

Interesting PeterM,

While I did not find a link for a church site on HBSMN's profile, I still will give you the benefit of the doubt on that. But, maybe he just joined that church, maybe he has not had a chance to update the bylaws and creeds.

I remember when I left the pastorship of my last fellowship after 8 years, I found that the new pastor brought in new bylaws for the church.

Not everyone in the congregation knows every line of the church's bylaws.

Also, it is possible that HBSMN has only been at that church for a short period, or maybe it is the only Baptist church in the area. There could be a reason why he is going to that church that are unknown to any.

 

Maybe you missed my question... I would like it answered if possible.

 

tinytim,

as to the passage in Romans 14, I have always took it to mean some other drink. Scripture is clear that God is against fermented alcohol, period.

Why would God tell some, 'Go ahead and drink alcoholic beverage and you will still be received?' and then tell others 'Don't touch it?.' That would make Him a respector of persons.

Also, since His Word is for all mankind and His Word says 'Don't even look at fermented wine,' why would He go against that and tell people to drink it?

 

That's what I am asking, what is the other drink... reading this thread has got me wondering if there were other drinks that were questionable in the first century... if so, I wonder what they were.

Hmmmm.....
Something to look into...

thanks guys...

 

Wow, where did everyone go.... come back, I want to play!!! lol

 

ya done stirred up a hornet's nest brother.

LOL

That is an interesting question though.

Wonder if some were judging the believers for a non-alcoholic wine? Accusing them of drinking an alcoholic wine falsely as they did the Lord and Savior?

 

I wonder if any commentaries addresses this.... I have never questioned it before, because I thought it was alcoholic.

 

before I post anything else, I am going to do some studying.... it may take a while....

If anyone has an answer, I would appreciate it..
Maybe we can compile a list of possibilities and then discuss them.

 

No, scripture is not that clear, thus the difference of opinion. But regardless of someone's stace, wether they be a moderate drinker or an abstainer, to see their salvation hinging on this issue is to be a tad legalistic.

My salvation is not based on what I have done, nor what I have not done, but rather my faith in the Lord Jesus Christ