The pre-wrath rapture view

[JonShaff]

Why i don't believe in a Post-Trib view...Who would be left to populate the Millennial Kingdom?

EDIT...Changed to Post Trib, not Pre Wrath

 

[InTheLight]

Why so angry? I believe Thomas Ice said he was the father of (modern) dispensationalism....not a particular flavor.. "Irishman, John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) is unquestionably the father of modern dispensationalism."

Jon, welcome to Baptist Board.

No one know why OldRegular is so mad about John Nelson Darby. But he really doesn't like John Nelson Darby. He always refers to John Nelson Darby whenever dispensationalism is discussed. He writes John Nelson Darby a lot, always using his full name, like the FBI naming assassins: John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc.

 

[JonShaff]

Jon, welcome to Baptist Board.

No one know why OldRegular is so mad about John Nelson Darby. But he really doesn't like John Nelson Darby. He always refers to John Nelson Darby whenever dispensationalism is discussed. He writes John Nelson Darby a lot, always using his full name, like the FBI naming assassins: John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc.

Thanks for the welcome! He thinks a pre-trib rapture is all about "escapism," which is 100% false.

Satan is seeking whom he may devour, thus we have Christian Persecution.

God, During the Trib, will pour out His wrath on the Earth...Why would God personally slap around His Son's Bride (Hence an Enoch-esque Rapture)?

 

[JonShaff]

Jon, welcome to Baptist Board.

No one know why OldRegular is so mad about John Nelson Darby. But he really doesn't like John Nelson Darby. He always refers to John Nelson Darby whenever dispensationalism is discussed. He writes John Nelson Darby a lot, always using his full name, like the FBI naming assassins: John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc.

Thanks for the welcome! He thinks a pre-trib rapture is all about "escapism," which is 100% false.

Satan is seeking whom he may devour, thus we have Christian Persecution.

God, During the Trib, will pour out His wrath on the Earth...Why would God personally slap around His Son's Bride?

 

[agedman]

Pre-trib-dispensationalism is a false doctrine straight out of the pit of John Nelson Darby. It is a pathetic attempt by ""Christians""" to avoid the truth that most Christians will face death before the return of Jesus Christ. It also is understandable why a Jew in Florida recently took these people to task since they are condemning Jews to 3-7 years of the worst of tribulation

Problem being there is no Scripture offered to back up OR in this matter. Rather, because he assumes his statement true, it is true. Sort of like when someone lies, they actually can get to a point of believing the lie. Not to say OR is a liar in the slightest!

What I have asked is for proof from Scriptures. Even opened another thread about Darby, and go not a single proof of error from any member of the BB.

I am NOT defending the man. I haven't read enough of his writing. But what I have read seems to follow pretty close to the Scripture.

 

[InTheLight]

Thanks for the welcome! He thinks a pre-trib rapture is all about "escapism," which is 100% false.

Satan is seeking whom he may devour, thus we have Christian Persecution.

God, During the Trib, will pour out His wrath on the Earth...Why would God personally slap around His Son's Bride?

God took Noah out of the way of his wrath, providing him with safe haven. God took Lot and his family out of the path of his wrath. So there is precedence.

 

[JonShaff]

God took Noah out of the way of his wrath, providing him with safe haven. God took Lot and his family out of the path of his wrath. So there is precedence.

I tend to have a different view on Noah, although i like where you are going. God saved Noah THROUGH His Wrath, Just like He will do with the Jewish Saints of the Great Trib.

I believe the Church is more like Enoch, removed before the flood.

 

[Revmitchell]

God took Noah out of the way of his wrath, providing him with safe haven. God took Lot and his family out of the path of his wrath. So there is precedence.

There is also this:

1Th_5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Those who are are anything other than pretrib redefine the tribulation as being something other than the wrath of God

 

[JonShaff]

God took Noah out of the way of his wrath, providing him with safe haven. God took Lot and his family out of the path of his wrath. So there is precedence.

I tend to have a different view on Noah, although i like where you are going. God saved Noah THROUGH His Wrath, Just like He will do with the Jewish Saints of the Great Trib.

I believe the Church is more like Enoch, removed before the flood.

 

[Revmitchell]

Why i don't believe in a pre-wrath view...Who would be left to populate the Millennial Kingdom?

The church will return with Christ for the Millennium.

 

[JonShaff]

The church will return with Christ for the Millennium.

I misapplied my statement...i meant i Do not believe in a Post-Trib Rapture...my apologies

 

[Revmitchell]

I misapplied my statement...i meant i Do not believe in a Post-Trib Rapture...my apologies

yea post trib rapture makes no sense

 

[evangelist6589]

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I got a crack out of this one. Say what happened to your Kangaroo avatar?

 

[InTheLight]

I got a crack out of this one. Say what happened to your Kangaroo avatar?

I have it, I'm not using it now. You want it?

Here ya go...

 

[agedman]

Personally, I am premillennial and have a great hope in a pre-trib rapture.

One of my favorite songs by Stuart Hamblin is found here.

 

[OldRegular]

The appeal to a doctrine, any doctrine, must be made on the basis of the Word of God, and not on the basis of history.
For example, on November 1, 1950, Pope Pius XII declared the Assumption of Mary an official dogma of the Catholic Church. Does that, therefore, make it true? The Catholic apologist will try to make an appeal to the ECF in defense. However the Assumption is declared right or wrong on the basis of the Bible not on the basis of its history, no matter how authoritative that history may seem to be.

What saith the Lord? That is the question that must be answered in all matters of doctrine. It is not a matter of who believed what and when they believed, but rather what does the Word of God say, and on that basis one should proceed.

The assumption of Mary has as much Biblical Basis as the pre-trib-removal of the "parenthesis" CHURCH! More perhaps since the CHURCH is not a "Parenthesis"!

 

[OldRegular]

Old Regular can't help it. Whenever he sees "dispensation", like a Pavlovian dog he responds with, "John Nelson Darby."

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Error should always be pointed out!

 

[evangelist6589]

Error should always be pointed out!

Your errors and constant lie that Darby invented Dispensationalism needs to be exposed. You know that Darby popularized the system but many before him had ideas and some even their own system. Darby did not originate Dispensationalism! If you want to see more of your error exposed I can post another topic and dig in my book more proof showing that Dispensationalism did not start with Darby.

 

[DHK]

The assumption of Mary has as much Biblical Basis as the pre-trib-removal of the "parenthesis" CHURCH! More perhaps since the CHURCH is not a "Parenthesis"!

It is an illustration. The RCC can make up any doctrine they want to and defend it by means of "argument by silence." Any doctrine can be read into the Bible: the Assumption, infant baptism, perpetual virginity of May, even alien life on Mars--the Bible doesn't speak against it?? Some of your theology is like that. It is defended by means of "eisigesis," or from silence of scripture. Much of allegory is like that. If it isn't there, make up a story about it.

As for the other method of defending or attacking doctrine, doing so by means of history is not valid. The trinity is not true on the basis of what some Catholic council declared. It is true because it is taught in the Word of God. It is not true because of what the CofF's say. It is true because of what the Bible teaches. Too much dependence on the works of men, whether it be a Roman Catholic Catechism or a Baptist Confession of Faith is unhealthy. The doctrine must stand or fall on the Word of God.

 

[blessedwife318]

Your errors and constant lie that Darby invented Dispensationalism needs to be exposed. You know that Darby popularized the system but many before him had ideas and some even their own system. Darby did not originate Dispensationalism! If you want to see more of your error exposed I can post another topic and dig in my book more proof showing that Dispensationalism did not start with Darby.

Do you really want to go around and around on this again? I have already shown that Ryries admits that dispensation does not a Dispensationalist make, and I can also quote Ice as saying that Darby is the Father of Dispensationalism, both of whom are in your camp, and considered leaders in your camp.