Not sure how this ties into what we are talking about?But Jon if the stars fall from heaven....are you saying it would not destroy the earth?
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Not sure how this ties into what we are talking about?But Jon if the stars fall from heaven....are you saying it would not destroy the earth?
No problem. Now, don't you also preach the parable of the sower and compare it with those who hear the Word preached now, how they react and etc?i'm pausing for a while...i have work to do.
I understand perfectly what you say. Your position is a denial of the Word of God.You are unable to understand what I posted.
You confess that satan rules your world.
I confess Jesus rules as Lord right now. Jesus rules this universe...the world included.
You can call me names,but it does not help your cause....not a bit.
Glad you asked....You are claiming what he did and did not say.
So what about the Rest of Joel?
Thanks for demonstrating what I posted.I understand perfectly what you say. Your position is a denial of the Word of God.
Here is what Scripture says:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
--You deny this truth. It does not say that Christ is ruling this earth at this present time, rather that this whole world is in the hands of the wicked one. You deny this truth.
Jesus Christ in his sovereignty has allowed Satan to be the ruler of this sin-sick world.
It really doesn't matter if you confess Christ as Lord or not. He is the Lord and has every right as Lord over you and everyone else. He has the right to squash you like a toadstool even if you have confessed him as Lord. You have no brownie points merited before the Lord.
He is the Lord of all Creation, and you cannot command him to do any thing, whether you confess Him as Lord or not.
But realize this, that as Lord, he has given this world into the hand of Satan, who now rules it with all his wicked glory.
In Christ's Millennial Kingdom Satan will be bound for a thousand years. There will be no influence from Satan whatsoever. But now we, as believers, are commanded to:
"Resist the devil."
"Flee from the devil."
Stand against the wiles of the devil."
If Christ were ruling those commands would not be necessary. Satan would not be here. He would be bound.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
I understand perfectly what you say. Your position is a denial of the Word of God.
Here is what Scripture says:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
--You deny this truth. It does not say that Christ is ruling this earth at this present time, rather that this whole world is in the hands of the wicked one. You deny this truth.
Jesus Christ in his sovereignty has allowed Satan to be the ruler of this sin-sick world.
It really doesn't matter if you confess Christ as Lord or not. He is the Lord and has every right as Lord over you and everyone else. He has the right to squash you like a toadstool even if you have confessed him as Lord. You have no brownie points merited before the Lord.
He is the Lord of all Creation, and you cannot command him to do any thing, whether you confess Him as Lord or not.
But realize this, that as Lord, he has given this world into the hand of Satan, who now rules it with all his wicked glory.
In Christ's Millennial Kingdom Satan will be bound for a thousand years. There will be no influence from Satan whatsoever. But now we, as believers, are commanded to:
"Resist the devil."
"Flee from the devil."
Stand against the wiles of the devil."
If Christ were ruling those commands would not be necessary. Satan would not be here. He would be bound.
Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
It speaks directly to the issue you raised Jon....you suggest scripture demands a literal interpretation.Not sure how this ties into what we are talking about?
Does He? Let's see.Glad you asked....
Driving now.....more later on
Thanks for demonstrating what I posted.
Jesus rules my world.
Your position is a denial of the Word of God...You deny this truth...You have no brownie points merited before the Lord.
No one is answering Matthew 13 where the kingdom is described by parables and we see these types taking place now.Yes indeed I'm looking forward to responding to this last post when I can get to a keyboard
Take your head out of the clouds and come back to the earth where reality exists. Yes, we have been rescued out of the domain of darkness. That is why we have have salvation, eternal life, the forgiveness of sins. But we do not dwell in heaven yet, and this sinful world is not our home. It is not our kingdom.No one is answering Matthew 13 where the kingdom is described by parables and we see these types taking place now.
Also, we have been rescued from the domain of darkness (I suppose where dhk lives according to his words, where Satan reigns) and transferred into the kingdom of His beloved Son (where we believe we abide, as we do, wherein the Christ of God reigns). This is a present reality according to the text of Colossians 1:13.
Who said we were dwelling in heaven????Take your head out of the clouds and come back to the earth where reality exists. Yes, we have been rescued out of the domain of darkness. That is why we have have salvation, eternal life, the forgiveness of sins. But we do not dwell in heaven yet...
Jesus does not rule here.
You don't understand the verse.Who said we were dwelling in heaven????
It is quite noticeable that you conveniently leave off what the passage actually states, 'and has transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son...'. and replace it with presuppositions and your own words. Let the word speak, there is nothing there about 'heaven' as you say.
So I ask, why do you conflate kingdom of God where true believers dwell with (the place all will dwell fully in their eternal state) 'heaven'?
You don't understand the verse.
Look at both verse 12 and 13 from another translation. Here is Young's literal translation:
Col 1:12 Giving thanks to the Father who did make us meet for the participation of the inheritance of the saints in the light,
Col 1:13 who did rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate us into the reign of the Son of His love,
--We have this inheritance. We have it in the sense that Israel had the Promised Land. It was promised to them. But they wouldn't actually receive it until they got there. The Father has to make us "meet" or fit or suitable for this inheritance.
He rescued us from the "authority" of the darkness. That is from the clutches of Satan. Satan was defeated at the cross, but he is still the god of this world. We have been rescued from his clutches. Through faith we are over-comers. He did translate us into the reign of the Son of His love. This is spiritual not physical. He has not taken us out of this world. This is made plain in his great High Priestly prayer of John 17 where he said plainly that he would not take his disciples out of this world.
Satan is still the god of this world. He has left us in a world ruled by Satan to be a witness to those influenced by him.
You have tunnel vision. One word can mean different things depending on the context. Let me quote William MacDonald for you:Sometimes it looks like you're making progress DHK but you don't quite get it. You just quoted Colossians 1 from Young's literal translation and clearly it says we been translated into the reign of his son that's the kingdom that means Jesus is king and we are in his kingdom
All authority is available to the obedient believer as he goes to carry out the great commission. Keep things in their context.Again all authority is Christ's not Satan's as the Word shows.
You're still conflating heaven with kingdom. Colossians 1:13 is aorist tense...already taken place just as we've also been rescued from domain of darkness. It states we are no longer in Satan's domain but under Christ's reign, in His kingdom. Yet previously you said He does not rule nor reign.
Simple, Cogent, Truth. ThumbsupYou have tunnel vision. One word can mean different things depending on the context. Let me quote William MacDonald for you:
The kingdom of Christ is seen in Scripture in several different aspects. When He came to the earth the first time, He offered a literal kingdom to the nation of Israel. The Jews wanted deliverance from the Roman oppressor, but they did not want to repent of their sins. Christ could only reign over a people who were in proper spiritual relationship to Him. When that was made clear to them, they rejected their King and crucified Him. Since then, the Lord Jesus has gone back to heaven and we now have the kingdom in mystery form (Matt. 13). This means that the kingdom does not appear in visible form. The King is absent. But all who accept the Lord Jesus Christ during this present age acknowledge Him as their rightful Ruler, and thus they are subjects of His kingdom. In a coming day, the Lord Jesus will come back to earth, set up His kingdom with Jerusalem as capital, and reign for one thousand years. At the end of that time, Christ will put down all enemies under His feet and then deliver up the kingdom to God the Father. That will inaugurate the eternal kingdom, which will continue throughout eternity.
Kingdom is used in three different senses.
No matter which way you look at you still cannot deny the literal reign of Christ in a coming Millennial reign of Christ on this earth.