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The rapture.
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37818
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No you did not.
Hebrews 9:28 refers to His second appearing, why does it not? And the question I posed was not answered.
37818
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So you think.
I never made any such claim regarding Hebrews 9. Quote me, where you think I did.
I believe in the rapture, 1 Thessalonians 4:17. I also believe that Hebrews 9:28 teaches only a second appearing of our Lord - commonly called the second coming.
OK I stand correct I should have said it doesn't say there will not be a pre-tribulation rapture.
Christ appeared to the saints three days after His death and resurrection. That's one. Christ appears at the rapture this is twice and the only ones to see Him are raptured. He appears like a thief in the night;
1Th_5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.Amen
.At the second coming when He comes down to the mountain top He brings all the saints with Him and every eye shall see Him.
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Just answer me this; How can Christ return with all His saints if the saints are still on Earth?
MB
The church is the Bride of Christ.
The marriage of Christ and His Bride take place in heaven.
Therefore, the church must be in heaven in order for the ceremony to take place. Obviously, believers have been taken up to heaven.
Rev 19:6 KJV - And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Rev 19:7 KJV - Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 KJV - And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 KJV - And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Check out: What is the marriage supper of the Lamb?
At the second, Christ will establish His one thousand year reign.
If your understanding of the sequence of events differs, when/where does the wedding supper of the Lamb occur, or does it occur at all?
The marriage of Christ and His Bride take place in heaven.
Therefore, the church must be in heaven in order for the ceremony to take place. Obviously, believers have been taken up to heaven.
Rev 19:6 KJV - And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Rev 19:7 KJV - Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 KJV - And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 KJV - And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Check out: What is the marriage supper of the Lamb?
At the second, Christ will establish His one thousand year reign.
If your understanding of the sequence of events differs, when/where does the wedding supper of the Lamb occur, or does it occur at all?
That is not what that verse says. What it does say is the dead will be raised prior to those still alive and then those alive will be raptured and we will all meet Him in the air at that time. No one is "brought with Him".
37818
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". . . so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. . . ." v.14.
That is not what 1st Thessalonians says
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
37818
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well preterists take the Origen method of interpretation and spiritualize it. They are in lock step with the Jesuit priests.
The dead in Christ will rise first then we will afterwards.
MB
I have no doubts.
MB
That is what he said what is your issue?
37818
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The dead in Christ. All the dead in Christ. Not just some.
For example, Revelation 14:13, ". . . Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: . . ." And then also Revelation 20:4, ". . . the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; . . ."
Jesus taught regarding a believer in Him, ". . . I will raise him up at the last day. . . ." -- John 6:40.