They Call Me Liberal ........

[Crabtownboy]

I see he's denying he's called people names.

There isn't a truthful, honest bone in his entire self-pitying body.

He calls me liberal because I will not respond to his off thread responses.

 

[mandym]

He calls me liberal because I will not respond to his off thread responses.

Just how old are you?

 

[targus]

Just how old are you?

My guess is north of 100.

 

[Zaac]

Zaac, I appreciate your question, I really do.

First -- theologically I do not see myself as liberal. I see no conflict between God and science. God created the laws we of nature/science that we are slowly discovering. Where there is seeming conflict it only means we have not yet made enough discovers to fully understand.

On the BB I am considered liberal not because of science, but because of politics. I believe that Christ prefers people over politics and corporations. Of course there were no corporations during the time he was on earth. So nothing is said about them as it would have been meaningless to the people he was speaking to and teaching.

I appreciate your answer.:thumbsup:

It is not God's word that is the problem. It is our interpretation ... and none of us have all the answers. Also none of us understand perfectly. Additionally I am stuck with interpreting using only English. That alone creates problems as it does for anyone who is limited to English. There is meaning lost in every translation from one language to another.

So why not side with what the words on the page say? I mean most of us speak English, so why not discuss the English?

Two -- I do not see myself as so liberal in politics. The way Christ lived his life and how he interacted with others greatly influence me as to what policies I agree with and support. If I see policies that conflict with how I believe Christ would want we Christian to live I will oppose them. When people in need are ignored or harmed through policies and proposed policies I will be firmly against them.

So are you against the murder of the unborn?

I do not see that as either conservative nor liberal. I see it as following the teachings of Christ. Thus I see myself as neither conservative nor liberal as I am pro-people and try to be pro-people to the best of my understanding of Christ and his life and teachings

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But as a Christian, shouldn't we be pro-CHRIST FIRST?

I know my answer will draw hoots of derision from some. That's OK. I simply consider the source and understand that they do not understand and some are not willing to try to understand. That is their problem, not mine.

I like the response you gave.

 

[mandym]

My guess is north of 100.

My guess is south of 10

 

[Zaac]

Or it could be a result of knowledge that the Christianity you present on this board is not the Christianity of scripture. Most likely a result of ignorance and left wing indoctrination that leads to hypocritical support of candidates that support the murder of unborn children.

But aren't a lot of Christians on this board throwing their support behind a candidate who worships a false god?Isn't that also hypocritical?

Using excuses such as "well I can't do anything about it and they support my other pet far left wing issues so I will overlook the deaths of so many babies my candidates are willing to support.

Same thing evangelicals are doing with Romney.

Not only do you support candidates that support abortion but you support organizations that do the killing. Such is not part of Christianity and there is a deep and dark place in hell for people who murder babies.

It's the same place that is reserved for those who worship a god that is not Jesus Christ.

There is no good excuse for that and it certainly does not support people nor is it part of the Kingdom of God. shame on you and your false brand of Christianity.

And this is where y'all lost me from day 1. Considering what I just pointed out, how is CTB's brand of Christianity any worse than that of the evangelicals on here who support Romney and his idolatry?

In another thread, we were asked what the most important thing is that we should do as Christians and God's Greatest Commandments were mentioned by many.

How is CBT's brand of Christianity where he supports a candidate who is pro-abortion any different from your brand of Christianity and that of so many other evangelicals where you support a candidate who worships a false god?

Maybe that Greatest Commandment doesn't mean what we say it means because we(myself included) sure do seem to find reasons that we will whitewash and elevate as cause to not keep that Greatest Commandment.

 

[Arbo]

People call me liberal because I take Christ's teaching more seriously than I take the Tea Party.

I take exception to your implication. I cannot speak for others; but though I agree with most of what the Tea Party stands for, it is not on par with my Saviour.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I take exception to your implication. I cannot speak for others; but though I agree with most of what the Tea Party stands for, it is not on par with my Saviour.

I am glad you do take Christ more seriously. Praise God.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I appreciate your answer.:thumbsup:

So why not side with what the words on the page say? I mean most of us speak English, so why not discuss the English

I am not quite sure what you mean by this statement.

So are you against the murder of the unborn?

Yes. But I recognize that abortions will continue, both legally and illegally. It has nothing to do with my approving or disapproving.

That brings up how can I support Obama. The primary reason is that I believe he is more interested in the welfare of people than his opponent.

How can that be possible as he supports abortion.
Answer: Because neither he nor Romney nor any politician can really do anything about it as far as making it go away. The Supreme Court has ruled on it and has upheld it numerous times. That gives the initial decision great precedence. Precedence is held in high regard by judges. Each sitting justice has said under sworn testimony that precedence is very important. Thus I see no way the court will reverse its decision. So I have to look at other reasons to support or not support a candidate.

But as a Christian, shouldn't we be pro-CHRIST FIRST?

In the way you put it, yes. And in being pro-Christ we must live our lives by his example. He supported and helped people. He did not enter politics. He did not talk about politics. He did not ask people what they believed, if they were moral, if they were sinless or what their political position was ... he simply met them, helped them and often told them to go and sin no more.

So as I believe Christ was pro-people I believe we should also be pro-people.

I like the response you gave.

Thanks and I like yours.

 

[mandym]

I am glad you do take Christ more seriously. Praise God.

And you take Planned Parenthood more seriously that Christ.

 

[Zaac]

And you take Planned Parenthood more seriously that Christ.

And couldn't he say that the evangelicals on this board take politics and the election of their candidate more seriously than Christ?

 

[preachinjesus]

They call me liberal, not because of the party I am registered with, but because I believe hurricanes are caused by high-pressure systems and not by gay marriages.

lol...well buddy. You know, one person's liberal is another's conservative.

I don't take much of the labeling around here very seriously. I've been called a "liberal" here for a statement that when made in another forum gets me called a "fundamentalist." Just one of those things that makes ya wonder.

 

[Crabtownboy]

lol...well buddy. You know, one person's liberal is another's conservative.

I don't take much of the labeling around here very seriously. I've been called a "liberal" here for a statement that when made in another forum gets me called a "fundamentalist." Just one of those things that makes ya wonder.

I know what you mean about labels. A long time ago I was in New England working with the Evangelistic Association of New England ... I think their name has changed ... if they are still in business. A man in Vermont asked me if I was theologically a liberal or conservative. I asked him what he meant by the two words. It turned out that if you were a liberal your did not think God existed. If you were conservative you believed God does exist.

I assured him I was a conservative. :laugh:

 

[Zaac]

I am not quite sure what you mean by this statement.

I mean instead of us interpreting and giving a response that seemingly is in opposition to what the words on the page say elsewhere, why not just say what's on the page?

Yes. But I recognize that abortions will continue, both legally and illegally. It has nothing to do with my approving or disapproving.

I agree. But that's why I have asked before is it not important that we love the things that God loves and hate the things that He hates? So if He speaks against something, should the Christian support that thing either directly or tacitly?

That brings up how can I support Obama. The primary reason is that I believe he is more interested in the welfare of people than his opponent.

I can't really see how you concluded that:laugh: but it's your conclusion. I just see a man who is not calling the shots, and though he may do things that look like he "socially" cares, the ultimate outcome of what will happen to the poor and downtrodden when the country is bankrupt seems to say that there is another motive. But that is just my conclusion.

I see a man pushing the country to the brink of destruction, politically , socially and economically. But I also believe that such a destruction MUST take place in accordance with what we are told in the Book of Revelation. Thus no mention of the US.

How can that be possible as he supports abortion.
Answer: Because neither he nor Romney nor any politician can really do anything about it as far as making it go away. The Supreme Court has ruled on it and has upheld it numerous times. That gives the initial decision great precedence. Precedence is held in high regard by judges. Each sitting justice has said under sworn testimony that precedence is very important. Thus I see no way the court will reverse its decision. So I have to look at other reasons to support or not support a candidate.

I understand. But I'll repeat what I have to others. That's settling. Yes, when it gets down to two candidates and people feel like they don't have a choice, they are bound to settle. I however feel as though it is more important to keep a right witness for Christ and not support those things or a candidate who does. And if that means every Christian has to write someone in, lets' do it.

In the way you put it, yes. And in being pro-Christ we must live our lives by his example. He supported and helped people. He did not enter politics. He did not talk about politics. He did not ask people what they believed, if they were moral, if they were sinless or what their political position was ... he simply met them, helped them and often told them to go and sin no more.

So as I believe Christ was pro-people I believe we should also be pro-people.

And this is where you have to help me out. Because I'm a firm believer that God does not author confusion. SO how does one say I'm pro-people and pro-helping people yet support someone who is okay with taking the life of the very people you say you want to help?

This is where I am left with a question mark as to what is really important to people?

Is it more important to help people at the expense of it looking like you don't love the Christ we say we are to keep first? Because when someone supports someone who does not support the things that Christ does, it makes it difficult to take them at their word that the love Him with all their , heart, soul, body and mind.

But rest assured, it's the same question I have asked of the "conservatives" who are supporting a man who worships a false god.





Look forward to your always civilized response.:laugh:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Be honest. I call you a coward. Start a thread on that.

 

[Crabtownboy]

And you take Planned Parenthood more seriously that Christ.

I support Planned Parenthood in those areas where they help the poor and needs with no insurance with their medical problems that do not include abortion. Because I support one service does not mean I support all services.

Do you feel the poor and needy with no insurance should be helped medically?

 

[mandym]

I support Planned Parenthood in those areas where they help the poor and needs with no insurance with their medical problems that do not include abortion. Because I support one service does not mean I support all services.

Do you feel the poor and needy with no insurance should be helped medically?

So murdering children can just be overlooked?

 

[preachinjesus]

Be honest. I call you a coward. Start a thread on that.

Really man? Is civility so far beyond your grasp that you resort these kinds of innane and ridiculous comments?

I just finished reading this whole conversation and man, some of you have anger problems. Maybe its time to ask yourselves if you are just being typer-writer tough guys or if this kind of anger expresses itself in other areas of your life.

If it is overflowing then you've got serious problems. I'd encourage repentence first and then maybe talking with a pastor.

One of the challenges of American Christianity is that it has greviously conflated nationalism, republicanism, and Christian beliefs to create some amalgamated civic religion that is more devoted to right rhetoric and overlooking Jesus focus ministry than it is to upholding biblical values of peace, love, justice, and mercy.

Maybe some of us, maybe all of us, need to wonder if you're getting so angry about stuff around here, and thus always looking for a fight, because you're not actually in a fight for the Gospel.

Just saying.

 

[mandym]

One of the challenges of American Christianity is that it has greviously conflated nationalism, republicanism, and Christian beliefs to create some amalgamated civic religion that is more devoted to right rhetoric and overlooking Jesus focus ministry than it is to upholding biblical values of peace, love, justice, and mercy.

And how is that?

 

[friendofyours]

Really man? Is civility so far beyond your grasp that you resort these kinds of innane and ridiculous comments?

I just finished reading this whole conversation and man, some of you have anger problems. Maybe its time to ask yourselves if you are just being typer-writer tough guys or if this kind of anger expresses itself in other areas of your life.

If it is overflowing then you've got serious problems. I'd encourage repentence first and then maybe talking with a pastor.

One of the challenges of American Christianity is that it has greviously conflated nationalism, republicanism, and Christian beliefs to create some amalgamated civic religion that is more devoted to right rhetoric and overlooking Jesus focus ministry than it is to upholding biblical values of peace, love, justice, and mercy.

Maybe some of us, maybe all of us, need to wonder if you're getting so angry about stuff around here, and thus always looking for a fight, because you're not actually in a fight for the Gospel.

Just saying.

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