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[JonC]

And file lawsuits, lots of lawsuits. And riot at the nation's Capitol.

They all do that (lawsuits and riots). And they all say the election was stolen if they loose. I expect no less this election....probably more.

There isn't a good looser in politics. I enjoy watching it as some enjoy wrestling.

You reminded me of an old literature teacher I had. He had three loves - literature, wrestling, and the Democrat party.

I forgot about him when I said wrestling fans were Republicans.

 

[KenH]

They all do that (lawsuits and riots).

I don't recall seeing Democrats rioting at the nation's Capitol on January 6, 2017, after Hillary Clinton lost. Do you have a link to show me the violence on that day?

 

[JonC]

I don't recall seeing Democrats rioting at the nation's Capitol on January 6, 2017, after Hillary Clinton lost. Do you have a link to show me the violence on that day?

Not at the Capital (plus they won the election). But prior they rioted, destroyed public property and buildings.

Trump did tell the protesters to go to the court house and peacefully protest.

Given the Democrat riots and their redefinition of "peaceful protest" I cannot understand how those Trump protesters misunderstood.

In all fairness, both the Dems and Republicans were guilty of escalating the situation. They were all liars and guilty.

Afterwards the DNC lied and said that Trump encouraged the riots (which was, of course, false). And Trump kept on with his own lies.

 

[KenH]

plus they won the election

I was not aware that Hillary Clinton won the presidency and was inaugurated on January 20, 2017. Do you have a link to a story about her victory and inauguration? I don't recall that happening.

Again, I don't recall, Clinton supporters rioting at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2017, when Congress accepted the electoral votes of the states and the District of Columbia. But, like I said, I don't recall Hillary Clinton even winning the 2016 presidential election, so maybe you could help me with that bit of history.

 

[canadyjd]

MAGA World says that Vice President Harris being elected in 2024 will result in socialism or communism.

Progressive World says that former President Trump being elected in 2024 will result in authoritarianism or fascism.

This is striking evidence of just how broken and sick the U.S. political system has become. The extremes in both major parties claim that the other major party will result in extreme results. Maybe that is because MAGA World and Progressive World are both extreme in and of themselves. Reckon?

MAGA world is true.

Progressive world, by its very nature, is a lie.

Peace to you

 

[KenH]

MAGA world is true.

Progressive world, by its very nature, is a lie.

MAGA World, or its philosophical name - National Conservatism, is for expanding the reach, size, and scope of government.

Progressive World is for expanding the reach, size, and scope of government.

They have different priorities in doing so, but they both long to gain and hold on to power for the purposes of expanding the reach, size, and scope of government.

I prefer the Reagan Movement based on Freedom Conservatism and the New Democrats Movement based on Centrism being in charge of the two major political parties of the Duopoly.

 

[JonC]

I was not aware that Hillary Clinton won the presidency and was inaugurated on January 20, 2017. Do you have a link to a story about her victory and inauguration? I don't recall that happening.
Again, I don't recall, Clinton supporters rioting at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2017, when Congress accepted the electoral votes of the states and the District of Columbia. But, like I said, I don't recall Hillary Clinton even winning the 2016 presidential election, so maybe you could help me with that bit of history.

Sure, I can help.

You got your history jumbled.

The riot at the Capitol was not after Trump won the election but after he lost the election. He was not running against Clinton but a prior VP named Joe Biden (the racist Senator who had tried to run two previous times but got caught up on all of those lies). Joe Biden was the VP for Obama. Hilary Clinton was never POTUS (that was her husband, Bill).

Democrats rioted in democrat cities about what they viewed as injustice. They murdered people, destroyed state and federal buildings, destroyed personal and government property, looted, took over parts of cities. The Democrats called this "peaceful protests".

When Trump lost the election he held a rally in DC. Trump told the peoole, in a speech, to go to the Capitol and peacefully make their voices heard. Some of these people went onto Capitol grounds (they trespassed on public property). Some of these trespassers rioted, damaged the building, and resisted police officers.


The Democrat rioters were a larger criminal group. The Republican rioters years later were a fairly small group in comparison (and did less damage, less harm to people).

But where the Democrats fought to reduse or eliminate consequences for Democrats who destroyed buildings they used the justice system to prosecute even Republicans who merely set foot on Capitol grounds beyond the set up barricade. They even weaponized the FBI to hunt down American citizens who only trespassed without entering the Capitol, without causing damage, without causing harm.

This helped to divide our nation even more, even though the POTUS (not Hillary but Biden) ran on unifying our country.

Then the Democrats said that Trump, by telling people to peacefully protest, was guilty of the riot and they redefined the riot as an "insurrection".


You simply got your years and people mixed up. Hilary said she really won the election and Trump was an Illegitimate President, but this was the election before Trump lost. He lost to Biden.

 

[KenH]

Hilary said she really won the election

Do you have a link from a reputable source for that quote?

 

[KenH]

You got your history jumbled.

Not at all as I was referring to the Democrats after the 2016 election.

 

[KenH]

Democrats rioted in democrat cities about what they viewed as injustice.

That was not in connection with either the 2016 election results or the 2020 election results.

I am referring to election results. You are bringing up non-election stuff.

 

[KenH]

The Republican rioters years later were a fairly small group

Looked like a pretty big group to me.

 

[KenH]

only trespassed

Would you say "only" if it was your personal property that someone trespassed when they knew it was against the law?

 

[KenH]

Then the Democrats said that Trump, by telling people to peacefully protest, was guilty of the riot and they redefined the riot as an "insurrection".

Trump was certainly guilty of not acting faster to tell his supporters to stop and leave.

 

[KenH]

You simply got your years and people mixed up.

Not at all. Somehow when I was referring to the 2016 election, you apparently veered off into a different direction - the 2020 election.

 

[JonC]

Would you say "only" if it was your personal property that someone trespassed when they knew it was against the law?

Yes. If somebody stepped on my lawn I would not approve of a political party using the FBI to track them down or even prosecuted them.

To make matters worse, we are talking about American citizens who dared to set foot on public property. Yes, it was restricted at the time but these people are a part of the "owners".

I do believe those who entered the Capitol should have recieved a citation (as I would if I go onto restricted grounds).

And I believe those who damaged public property should recieve a stiff sentence (to include the Dem who rioted years before).

But I believe using the FBI to track down people who stood outside of the Capitol to be a misuse of the FBI.

 

[JonC]

Trump was certainly guilty of not acting faster to tell his supporters to stop and leave.

Sure. I agree. But that is not a crime.

The truth (which rarely matters in politics) is Trump told them to peacefully make their voices heard. The rioters were not supporting Trump (what he had said) or following Trump's instruction.

 

[JonC]

Not at all. Somehow when I was referring to the 2016 election, you apparently veered off into a different direction - the 2020 election.

I was always referring to the 2020 election (I was unaware of a Capitol riot in 2016).

In the 2016 election Hillary declared that the election was stolen, that Trump was an Illegitimate President and a Russian asset. This was a significant DNC lie that contributed to the Jan 6 riot.

Just a few days ago the DNC continued these types of lies. There is no evidence that Trump encouraged riots (the evidence is to the contrary), there is no evidence he approved of Hitler or his generals (evidence is to the contrary), there is no evidence he is a racist (evidence is to the contrary), there is no evidence he wants a dictatorship (evidence is to the contrary, and an out of context comment often used as support). Trump never said white supremists were "fine people" (a lie that has been debunked even by liberal media - he said there were fine people on both sides of the argument about removing statues).

But those lies were repeated within the last week by the DNC (and by Harris).


The DNC is just as guilty for Jan 6 as is the GOP. And neither did anything illegal to contribute to the riots (lying is not illegal in politics. It is expected).

 

[MrW]

That is inaccurate. For example, here in Arkansas there are four active presidential candidates other than the two major party candidates.

Libertarian Oliver: Limit government to military, disputes - independentarkansas.com

Sonski running on life, solidarity - independentarkansas.com

Family losses from alcohol led Wood to Prohibition Party - independentarkansas.com

Green Party’s Stein: End corporate control, ‘endless war’ - independentarkansas.com



That is inaccurate.



As I noted above, at least in Arkansas, that is inaccurate.



As I noted above, at least in Arkansas, that is inaccurate.

It is NOT inaccurate. Arkansas can vote for the man in the moon but I GUARANTEE you either Trump or Harris will take the oath of office on January 20, 2025, so yes, there are only two choices.

By the way, Michele Bachman said Harris wants to give the Venezuelans free housing, free medical, free dental, and free college.

What does Harris do for you?

Voting for Trump is the only choice for common sense-enabled people, unless you hate yourself and every other person you should care about, like family, friends, and neighbors, and that is not common sense.

 

[KenH]

Hillary declared that the election was stolen

I have never read or heard any such quote.

There is no evidence that Trump encouraged riots

I disagree.

there is no evidence he approved of Hitler or his generals

I disagree.

here is no evidence he is a racist

I disagree.

there is no evidence he wants a dictatorship

I disagree.

Trump never said white supremists were "fine people"

I disagree.

The DNC is just as guilty for Jan 6 as is the GOP.

That is such an inane comment.

 

[KenH]

It is NOT inaccurate. Arkansas can vote for the man in the moon but I GUARANTEE you either Trump or Harris will take the oath of office on January 20, 2025, so yes, there are only two choices.

That is false. If there are other choices on the ballot, then there are other choices on the ballot. You can't truthfully say that there are no other choices than the two major party candidates. And you can't guarantee that either one of those people will be inaugurated on January 20, 2025. You, sir, as well as I, don't know what will happen between now and then. You, sir, as well as I, don't even know what will happen between now and November 5, 2024.

Voting for Trump is the only choice for common sense-enabled people

I disagree.