Vague Translations, Poor Translations and Mistranslations

[Van]

If we look at Ephesians 2:5-10, we see Paul is teaching us of the benefits of being made alive together with Christ, that is placed into Christ spiritually by God, and being raised up, receiving His grace, salvation bought through Christ alone, and in Christ we are created (born anew) for good works. All of it focuses on God's provision, not ours.

Then Ephesians 2:11-22 provides more detail of what Christ alone has accomplished in which we benefit if we are in Christ. In Chapter 3, Paul tells us because of these benefits we have in Christ, we have boldness because of Christ's faithfulness, verse 12.

 

[37818]

If we look at Ephesians 2:5-10, we see Paul is teaching us of the benefits of being made alive together with Christ, that is placed into Christ spiritually by God, and being raised up, receiving His grace, salvation bought through Christ alone, and in Christ we are created (born anew) for good works. All of it focuses on God's provision, not ours.

Then Ephesians 2:11-22 provides more detail of what Christ alone has accomplished in which we benefit if we are in Christ. In Chapter 3, Paul tells us because of these benefits we have in Christ, we have boldness because of Christ's faithfulness, verse 12.

Ephesians 2:12-13, ". . . That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. . . ." The faithfulness of Christ is indeed an interpretation. Nowhere is it explicitly stated in Ephesians as in Galatians.

 

[Van]

Improvement in the clarity of translation will be rejected by those whose views are based on reading into ambiguity. However, by considering the context of these verses, clarifying information can be derived, IMO.

1) Ephesians 2:8: "For by grace you have been saved by means of Christ's faithfulness, thus the gift is not based on you, but on God."

2) 1Corinthians 2:14: "But an unspiritual man does not accept the solid food things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

3) Romans 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD when sinning:

4) Acts of the Apostles 13:48: When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had accepted direction to eternal life believed.

5) James 2:5: Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor to the world, yet rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

6) 1 John 2:2 and he is the means of salvation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole of humanity.

 

[37818]

. . . those whose views are based on reading into ambiguity. . . .

Romans 2:1

 

[Van]

Romans 2:1

Some people, rather than reading into ambiguity, rip a verse out of context, and apply it to support a false premise. Scripture is clear, we are to test the spirits to see if what they say is in accord with scripture, and we are not to tolerate false teachers.

2Peter 2:1 But false prophets also appeared among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves

 

[Van]

Ephesians 1:4: just as He chose us in Him corporately before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him.

Since before creation, we had not been created, we would not exist and therefore could not be chosen individually, but God did choose His redeemer, His "lamb of God" and therefore chose corporately those His redeemer would redeem.

2Timothy 1:9 who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was granted to us in Christ Jesus from all eternity

Here again God's foreknown plan of redemption is in view, thus everyone who has been placed into Christ, was chosen corporately according to His own purpose and grace before creation.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

What was false?

Van's perversion of Acts 13:48 in which he translates what should be 'ordained' or 'appointed' or even 'destined' and opts for the idiotic "accepted direction.'

 

[Van]

4) Acts of the Apostles 13:48: When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had accepted direction to eternal life believed.

This understanding of the Greek word "episteusan" as referring to an arrangement set by God, but accepted by those who took the direction and believed is based on study.

The word refers to an arrangement established by an authority and then agreed to by the person taking the direction.
Thus God establishes the criteria for governance, but godly governance reflects a government by those accepting the criteria. (Romans 13:1)

In Acts of the Apostles 22:10, Paul is told he will be given direction for what he is to do. In Acts of the Apostles 15:2, Paul and others were given direction to go up to Jerusalem. In Acts of the Apostles 28:23, direction was given for people to come and listen to Paul. In Luke 7:8 we have a soldier "placed" in authority who then "exercises" his authority and tells others where to go. So again the concept is taking the direction from an authority. Likewise, in Matthew 28:16, Jesus gives direction to meet someplace, and His disciples take that direction. Supernatural compulsion is never in view, it is a fiction thrown into the text.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Some people, rather than reading into ambiguity, rip a verse out of context, and apply it to support a false premise. Scripture is clear, we are to test the spirits to see if what they say is in accord with scripture, and we are not to tolerate false teachers.

Indeed Van, the above applies to you in particular.

 

[Iconoclast]

Van's perversion of Acts 13:48 in which he translates what should be 'ordained' or 'appointed' or even 'destined' and opts for the idiotic "accepted direction.'

As if he is qualified to comment on any of this

 

[Van]

Improvement in the clarity of translation will be rejected by those whose views are based on reading into ambiguity.

1) Ephesians 2:8: For by grace you have been saved by means of Christ's faithfulness, thus the gift is not based on you, but on God.

2) 1Corinthians 2:14: But an unspiritual man does not accept the solid food things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

3) Romans 3:11: THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD when sinning:

4) Acts of the Apostles 13:48: When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had accepted direction to eternal life believed.

5) James 2:5: Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor to the world, yet rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

6) 1 John 2:2: and he is the means of salvation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole of humanity.

7) John 6:37: All that the Father gives Me will arrive within Me, and the one transported to Me I will certainly not cast out.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

2) 1Corinthians 2:14: "But an unspiritual man does not accept the solid food things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

Here note Van's hypocrisy. In 1 Cor. 11:3 Van is adamant that the word 'person' must belong in the text when even common sense says otherwise. But since Van isn't a student of the Word and he isn't aware of context and other rudimentary things he opts for the word 'person' instead of what the text demands --'man.'

But here, in 1 Cor. 2:14, even a newcomer to the Faith would know it refers to a person --not a male --Van foolishly chooses the word 'man.' It means anyone without the Holy Spirit --the natural person.

So how does Van reconcile his doublespeak? You'll have to ask him.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Improved and clarified translations:


2) 1Corinthians 2:14: "But an unspiritual man does not accept the solid food things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

3) Romans 3:11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD when sinning:

2) "The solid food things of the Spirit of God."

English is a foreign language for you Van.

3) "There is none who seeks for God when sinning."

Huh? You're a riot.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

2) "The solid food things of the Spirit of God."

English is a foreign language for you Van.

3) "There is none who seeks for God when sinning."

Huh? You're a riot.

You don't understand, Rippon. These translations have to be right because they support @Van's crazy theology. Therefore grammar, syntax, active or passive voice do not matter; words may be added or left out as required so that the word of God may be seen to fit his errors.

 

[kyredneck]

... If one scripture contradicts another scripture... Then the interpretation is in the reader, never the writer... Keep praying and studying and maybe someday the Lord will clear it...

Hodge's rules of interpretation:

1. The Scriptures are to be taken in the sense attached to them in the age and by the people to whom they were addressed.

2. Scripture cannot contradict Scripture.

3. The Scriptures are to be interpreted under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, which guidance is to be humbly and earnestly sought. - Charles Hodge

 

[Van]

Improvement in the clarity of translation will be rejected by those whose views are based on reading into ambiguity.

1) Ephesians 2:8: For by grace you have been saved by means of Christ's faithfulness, thus the gift is not based on you, but on God.

2) 1Corinthians 2:14: But an unspiritual person does not accept the solid foods of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

3) Romans 3:11: THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD when sinning:

4) Acts of the Apostles 13:48: When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had accepted direction to eternal life believed.

5) James 2:5: Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor to the world, yet rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

6) 1 John 2:2: and he is the means of salvation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole of humanity.

7) John 6:37: All that the Father gives Me will arrive within Me, and the one transported to Me I will certainly not cast out.

 

[Van]

As if he is qualified to comment on any of this

Rule 70!!

 

[Van]

An "antecedent" of a pronoun is the specific person, place, thing or idea to which the pronoun refers. For example,
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [fn]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
In the above verse two pronouns (that and it) refer to a vague antecedent. The footnote in the NASB identifies that the antecedent is "salvation" but plenty of Calvinist writers claim the antecedent includes faith as a gift. (The other pronoun "it" has been added, thus in italics, to smooth out the sentence.)

Here I think the translators missed a bet, as instead of adding another vague pronoun (it) they could have added in italics "salvation." Thus the verse might be translated as "For by grace you have been saved by means of faith; and that not of yourselves, salvation is the gift of God. An even better translation choice would be to find the actual antecedent of "that" which is "gift." Thus the verse, properly and contextually translated might read, "For by grace you have been saved by means of Christ's faithfulness, thus the gift is not based on you, but on God."

 

[RipponRedeaux]

2) 1Corinthians 2:14: But an unspiritual man does not accept the solid food things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.

3) Romans 3:11: THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,
THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD when sinning:

4) Acts of the Apostles 13:48: When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had accepted direction to eternal life believed.


7) John 6:37: All that the Father gives Me will arrive within Me, and the one transported to Me I will certainly not cast out.

The above three 'translations' are among the craziest things I have seen on the BB. Any legitimate translator would be chuckling.

 

[Van]

The above three 'translations' are among the craziest things I have seen on the BB. Any legitimate translator would be chuckling.

RR now claims his mind reading ability includes "any legitimate translator." No kidding