Your opinion is incorrect. The quote of Wesley did not struck a nerve with me as you incorrectly allege.
You jump to a wrong conclusion. I did not need to clarify my Bible beliefs because you choose to jump to false allegations.
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What brings unity among brethren?
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Your opinion is incorrect. The quote of Wesley did not struck a nerve with me as you incorrectly allege.
You jump to a wrong conclusion. I did not need to clarify my Bible beliefs because you choose to jump to false allegations.
Dave G
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To me, therein lies the problem.
There are too many people who listen to false teachers ( and refuse correction from Scripture ), all the while claiming to believe the Gospel and God's words.
I rarely run into a professing believer who even remotely exhibits any discernment, preferring to defer to their pastor on everything.
Bring up certain passages and one gets a blank stare...
Talk about something in-depth?
Forget it.
For the most part, they're more interested in the next football game, or the who's-who of politics, or some other distraction.
God's word?
Jesus Christ?
"That's for Sundays".
True believers seem to be like water in the desert, at least in my area.
Again, therein lies a problem...try to get any group of professing believers to agree on anything Scripture states, and "let the games begin".
This forum is an excellent example of the back-and-forth that I started to experience some 15 years ago, now.
Case-in-point, try getting anyone, even here, to agree with what Acts of the Apostles 13:48, John 6:29, John 6:44, John 6:64-65, John 10:26, John 17:2, Romans 8:29-30 and a whole host of others actually say, and I'm sure you'll be forced to admit...
Doctrine divides.
Even Scripture divides.
Most churches don't even bother to go to certain areas of the Bible, because of the risk of controversy.
Over God's word?
Are you kidding me?
It's God's word!
It's pretty much why I shy away from conversations with professing believers in my area anymore.
There are at least 12 of them in the plant where I work...most of them are worldly, none of them read their Bibles to any extent that I'm aware of...
And most of them are doctrinally unsound, from my point of view.
It's like talking to someone who has Jesus Christ on a back burner, and the world at the forefront.
They're all nice people, but their love for Christ seems to be skin-deep.
None of them seem to be going through the trials of faith and tribulations that I am.
Being divided from those who clearly hate Christ so much that they use His name for a curse word is one thing...but trying to initiate a spiritual conversation with someone who values "Christian culture" more than a personal relationship with their Saviour is like cutting teeth.
It's painful, to say the least, and it saddens me greatly.
Apologies for the lament.
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Forever Settled
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Everybody can read what YOU did.
This thread is about Christian unity.
A statement about Wesley was made - statements were made as to whom may agree or not
Evidently there is a disagreement - and it appears that agreement will not happen.
Lets close that sub-discussion - and lets get back to the OP
Keep in mind that deletion of any further statements is always possible.
A statement about Wesley was made - statements were made as to whom may agree or not
Evidently there is a disagreement - and it appears that agreement will not happen.
Lets close that sub-discussion - and lets get back to the OP
Keep in mind that deletion of any further statements is always possible.
I think that believers can "agree to disagree" on interpretaion of the biblical text (e.g., whether the qualification for deacon is monogamy vs never had been divorced) and certainly enforce common belief in their congregations.To me, therein lies the problem.
There are too many people who listen to false teachers ( and refuse correction from Scripture ), all the while claiming to believe the Gospel and God's words.
I rarely run into a professing believer who even remotely exhibits any discernment; preferring to defer to their pastor on everything.
Bring up certain passages and one gets a blank stare...
Talk about something in-depth?
Forget it.
For the most part, they're more interested in the next football game, or the who's-who of politics, or some other distraction.
God's word?
Jesus Christ?
"That's for Sundays".
True believers seem to be like water in the desert, at least in my area.
Again, therein lies a problem...try to get any group of professing believers to agree on anything Scripture states, and "let the games begin".
This forum is an excellent example of the back-and-forth that I started to experience some 15 years ago, now.
For example, try getting anyone to agree with what Acts of the Apostles 13:48, John 6:29, John 6:44, John 6:64-65, John 10:26, John 17:2, Romans 8:29-30 and a whole host of others, and I'm sure you'll agree...
Doctrine divides.
Even Scripture divides.
It's pretty much why I shy away from conversations with professing believers in my area anymore.
There are at least 12 of them in the plant where I work...most of them are worldly, none of them read their Bibles to any extent that I'm aware of.
It's like talking to someone who has Jesus Christ on a back burner, and the world at the forefront.
Being divided from those who clearly hate Christ so much that they use His name for a curse word is one thing...but trying to initiate a spiritual conversation with someone who values "Christian culture" more than a personal relationship with their Saviour is like cutting teeth.
It's painful, to say the least.
It gets more dicey when tradition usurps God's Word. I have seen this happen often. When Christ and Scripture become secondary to theology and theory there is simply no common ground. The faithful have to be able to rely on the sufficiency of Scripture (what is stated in the biblical text) and the gospel rather than what they see as implied. We can discuss and disagree only when our standard is objective truth.
I think some people want a "Bible for Dummies" rather than the actual Word of God. They want theology, not Christ because theology does not make demands of them. It is sad.
Heretic Hunter
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This thread is about unity, but unity among whom?
Which Jesus and what Gospel? We don't know which Jesus or what gospel you profess a faith in.
Moreover, there are a couple of other people that are members in this Forum that believe in "another Jesus" per 2Corinthians 11:3-4, 12-15
One here: Christ's Return: Spiritual or Physical?
Another here: Is A Silent Church Complicit In The War Crimes of Its State?
Christians are instructed by The Lord Jesus Christ:
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Christians are instructed by The Lord Jesus Christ chosen Apostles:
1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
If this Baptist Forum is of The Lord, and I trust that it is, I'm certain the Brethren will agree with Apostle Peter and the other Apostles when it comes to rules not interfering with The Lord's Ministry:
Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
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1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
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2Jn 1 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
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2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
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2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
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2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
2Pe 3:17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Heretic Hunter
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That is your opinion and your entitled to it, but The Lord Jesus Christ and His chosen Apostles did not say, at any time, the words "agree to disagree" on Biblical Doctrine. The passages that I shared alone confirm that.
When Jesus was being tempted by the Devil; and Satan wrested the words of God, did The Lord say, oh let's agree to disagree? OR did He rebuke Satan by "what is written"?
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I do not recall Jesus making such a statement, and I don't see this with the 12.
Paul did make several statements, though. One is in the instructions to the Gentiles in Galatians 3. They did not conform to the the customs as the Jewish believers believed proper obedience to Scripture. And then we have the differences between the church in Corinth. And we have Paul's instruction regarding Christian liberty.
That that these differences existed in the early Church is a matter of fact. That Scripture instructs believers to be united in Christ and test doctrine with scripture while also permitting disagreement on issues not commanded or stated in scripture is also a matter of fact.
How can we be considered followers of Christ if we dogmatically force our extra-biblical understandings and theologies on other people?
Given your choice of words (neither Jesus nor the Apostles He chose), are you excluding Paul?
That is why I suggested those who are unable to "agree to disagree" (like you and I here) are holding a false gospel or the gospel falsely. The crux of faith is not Christ, the gospel, or scripture but extra-biblical theology. That, friend, is unbiblical and "anti-Christ" as it seeks to undermine the gospel itself.
Heretic Hunter
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Thank you for acknowledging that The Lord Jesus Christ and His chosen Apostles did not use the words "agree to disagree". Again, to drive the point home, per Galations 3; Apostle Paul gave instruction in the passage to rebuke error so that the Churches in Galatia would not continue in error. Apostle Paul did the same concerning the Church of God at Corinth. The same instruction is for us today, so that we are afforded the same instruction today. It is only by prayerfully reading and studying these Epistles in their full context, learning them so as to completely understand them can we discern truth from error and to be able to also discern true Brethren from false brethren; true Teachers from false teachers. AND how the Churches are to be Biblically established and set up.
Today, there is a growing famine for the hearing of the words of the Lord. That is why we are seeing so many that are abandoning the faith by embracing false prophets, such as Muslims, S.D.A., Mormons, and so forth. It is only by what is written that we get instruction in righteousness.
I don't think "agree to disagree" was actually a saying back then. Paul did, however, command the practice (God commanded that we do not argue over these non-biblical issues).
And yes, Paul gave instruction to prevent error, I agree. But that is only a half-truth. Paul also accommodated differences with the Gentiles and doctrinal differences in Corinth.
Scripture is not a buffet where you get to pick and choose doctrine. ALL of scripture is relevent. But Scripture itself specifically allows for doctrinal differences where not directed otherwise in Scripture.
You may, for example, believe that drinking wine offered to idols is fine. I may not. If you refuse to "agree to disagree" because you know you are correct then you have sinned and may be the cause for me to sin.
Your arguments about cults are strawman arguments. I was clear that I am speaking of matters not stated in Scripture.
Heretic Hunter
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Please give me precise scripture that refutes me as having spoken a "half truth", because I have not see what you say anywhere in those passages where Apostle Paul accommodated "doctrinal differences".
You say that my argument about Cults is stawman argument? Really? Can you establish your accusation as fact? I strongly disagree and can prove my case with statistical fact and headlined News Articles.
Are Christians allowed to mix with Muslims (Islam), Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Freemasonry, Witchcraft and every other branch and aspect of the Occult? Before you answer please consider these passages: 2Cor 6:14-18, 2Cor 11, Jude, Rev 2-3, 2Pet 2-3, 1Jn, 2Jn, 3Jn, & Matt 24
What did God say? What did Apostle Paul write by inspiration of The Holy Spirit?
1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
What command did Apostle Paul give and why?
2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2Ti 4:5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Could it be that there is a famine for the hearing of the words of the LORD?
Amo 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
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Forever Settled
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I am confused by your statement could you elaborate ?
Division brings unity. Divide from the non like minded.Does the bible teach doctrine is given to bring unity?
Or is doctrine to divide?
Some might suggest that when brothers are united in doctrine it is not doctrine that keeps them unified.
They might suggest these persons are held together by being dishonest, or untruthful in some kind of conspiracy
This might be a bit of a stretch
So is it doctrine or something else?
Octavious Winslow in OUR God offered this;
CHRISTIAN UNION among the members of different branches of Christ's one Church is a sweet fruit of our peace with God through Christ. "The God of peace" has but one Family, and but one Church; and it is His will that members of this one Family and of this one Church should "lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. Be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other's faults because of your love. Always keep yourselves united in the Holy Spirit, and bind yourselves together with peace. We are all one body, we have the same Spirit, and we have all been called to the same glorious future."
Thus walking in Christian love and union with Christ's members of other communions than our own, we shall walk worthy of, and glorify Christ, bring peace into our own souls, and impart extension and strength to the bond of peace which should knit and unite in one mystical body the whole Church of the elect.
Oh, were the peace of God more in our own souls, our aim would ever be to "live peaceably with all men,'' especially with the "household of faith." We should not think that we are coming down from some high altitude of ecclesiastical eminence, and are conferring a distinction and an obligation on a Christian Church, or on a Christian brother, by the extension of our right hand of fellowship and love; but that we were honoring ourselves, and, above all, were honoring Christ, by cultivating the "communion of saints" with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity.
CHRISTIAN UNION among the members of different branches of Christ's one Church is a sweet fruit of our peace with God through Christ. "The God of peace" has but one Family, and but one Church; and it is His will that members of this one Family and of this one Church should "lead a life worthy of your calling, for you have been called by God. Be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other's faults because of your love. Always keep yourselves united in the Holy Spirit, and bind yourselves together with peace. We are all one body, we have the same Spirit, and we have all been called to the same glorious future."
Thus walking in Christian love and union with Christ's members of other communions than our own, we shall walk worthy of, and glorify Christ, bring peace into our own souls, and impart extension and strength to the bond of peace which should knit and unite in one mystical body the whole Church of the elect.
Oh, were the peace of God more in our own souls, our aim would ever be to "live peaceably with all men,'' especially with the "household of faith." We should not think that we are coming down from some high altitude of ecclesiastical eminence, and are conferring a distinction and an obligation on a Christian Church, or on a Christian brother, by the extension of our right hand of fellowship and love; but that we were honoring ourselves, and, above all, were honoring Christ, by cultivating the "communion of saints" with all those who love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity.
Heretic Hunter
Active Member
May I ask you, today with the Masonic Ecumunical Movement of blending religions, headed up by the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, should we not take a faithful stand to not allow for the false prophet groups, such as the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Muslims, along with the antichrist religions of Buddhists, Hindus, etc., and Satanic Freemasons, to not glory as "Christians"?
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Amos agreed with your post even before you posted it Reformed.
3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Hello HH,
I believe we need to sharpen our understanding by prayerfully asking God to equip us to speak to any among these false teaching groups.
eph1:
15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
2pet1; we become established in the truth, and go out with the Armour of God ;
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
To deal with those groups you must establish the scripture as the word of God written and authoritative.
I use the 1689 confession of faith.
Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scriptures
1._____ The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and his will which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased.
( 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20; Romans 1:19-21; Romans 2:14,15; Psalms 19:1-3; Hebrews 1:1; Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19,20 )
2._____Under the name of Holy Scripture, or the Word of God written, are now contained all the books of the Old and New Testaments, which are these:
OF THE OLD TESTAMENT: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, I Samuel, II Samuel, I Kings, II Kings, I Chronicles, II Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, The Song of Solomen, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations,Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
OF THE NEW TESTAMENT: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, The Acts of the Apostles, Paul's Epistle to the Romans, I Corinthians, II Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, I Thessalonians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, To Titus, To Philemon, The Epistle to the Hebrews, Epistle of James, The first and second Epistles of Peter, The first, second, and third Epistles of John, The Epistle of Jude, The Revelation
All of which are given by the inspiration of God, to be the rule of faith and life.
( 2 Timothy 3:16)
3._____ The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of divine inspiration, are no part of the canon or rule of the Scripture, and, therefore, are of no authority to the church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved or made use of than other human writings.
( Luke 24:27, 44; Romans 3:2 )
4._____ The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, dependeth not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon God (who is truth itself), the author thereof; therefore it is to be received because it is the Word of God.
( 2 Peter 1:19-21; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 John 5:9 )
Once the word of God is established, then look to show which Jesus is revealed in scripture.;
2cor11:
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
I use the 1689 confession of faith.
Chapter 1: Of the Holy Scriptures
1._____ The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and his will which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased.
( 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20; Romans 1:19-21; Romans 2:14,15; Psalms 19:1-3; Hebrews 1:1; Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19,20 )
2._____Under the name of Holy Scripture, or the Word of God written, are now contained all the books of the Old and New Testaments, which are these:
OF THE OLD TESTAMENT: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, I Samuel, II Samuel, I Kings, II Kings, I Chronicles, II Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, The Song of Solomen, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations,Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi
OF THE NEW TESTAMENT: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, The Acts of the Apostles, Paul's Epistle to the Romans, I Corinthians, II Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, I Thessalonians, II Thessalonians, I Timothy, II Timothy, To Titus, To Philemon, The Epistle to the Hebrews, Epistle of James, The first and second Epistles of Peter, The first, second, and third Epistles of John, The Epistle of Jude, The Revelation
All of which are given by the inspiration of God, to be the rule of faith and life.
( 2 Timothy 3:16)
3._____ The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of divine inspiration, are no part of the canon or rule of the Scripture, and, therefore, are of no authority to the church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved or made use of than other human writings.
( Luke 24:27, 44; Romans 3:2 )
4._____ The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, dependeth not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon God (who is truth itself), the author thereof; therefore it is to be received because it is the Word of God.
( 2 Peter 1:19-21; 2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 John 5:9 )
Once the word of God is established, then look to show which Jesus is revealed in scripture.;
2cor11:
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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Heretic Hunter
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Yes, I agree. We are not to despise the poor and needy, but instead to, if possible to reach them with the Gospel, and yet to be properly balanced to not be unequally yoked with them. Right now, as we speak, there is a member in this Forum that is of the Seventh Day Adventist group, that is excercising free reign to promote and teach the false prophet doctrines. Moreover, the member has a link in his signature to his Occult website. Yesterday, I took time to carefully analyze the site to gather some information.
This is an antichrist quotation, taken from the website, denying the Deity of Jesus Christ by the wresting of the scriptures: "Confessing Millerite Adventists believe that Christ is a divine and infinite Being having the form of God, and all the essential qualities of God, and yet not exactly God in the fullest sense possible."
This is the link to the (Smoking Gun) website: A Commentary on Philippians 2:6 - The Seventh-day Millerite / Adventist / Shubertian Forum
For the sake so I can provide clarity, it is vital to set "translation debate" aside, so that I can convey vital truth as to the Occult use of the "Modern Translations" to undermine "what is written" in The Holy Bible, most expressedly the KJB 1611 concerning Philippians 2:6 On that linked page, you will disciver and find a vast collection of various parallel quotations from multiple so-called "Modern Translations" of that verse. This is one clear example with evidence of HOW and WHY there is an Occult Agenda against The Holy Bible. This practice of "wresting the scriptures" had been accomplished by the Gnostics over a long perdiod of years, to be taught, first, by the collective false prophet groups; the JWs, Mormons, S.D.A., etc., to their deceived adhearants, and in turn, the deceived adhearants are trained in spiritual warfare to use all of these various "Modern Translation", including "running to the Greek" to wrest the very scriptures of the KJB 1611 to propagate this doctrine of devils to preach "another Jesus", and that is why today, these groups have a combined total of well over 60 Million people that have been deceived into Jezebel's camp. These people, were once Baptist, and/or other Christian Denominations. Their combine campaign effort has been strategically orchestrated by the Illuminati to undermine Christianity by deceiving people generationally. Now, stay with me here, as we must also consider the adverse affects against the rest of Society, as their publications have been passed around to people of all backgrounds on both National and Global scale, promoting division and confusion, and subsequently also making atheists out of many people.
As touching the subject again of the Ecumunical Movement, the error of embracing Seventh Day Adventists was first made by Walter Martin when he went to the S.D.A. Headquarters to meet with their Leaders. When he did that, he went into the House of the Dead, and was met by men with flattering lips, and they beguiled him into accepting them as being "Christians".
Today, there is a video of Ravi Zacharias having made similar steps and he met with the Leaders of the Mormons, to forge the merging with that False Prophet Group that teaches "another jesus" that is not God, but instead "Satan's brother". Complete blasphemy!
I have cited these two examples, as we are witnessing the aftermath of the great falling away from the faith, as we see yet, that the vast majority of Millenials have completely abandoned the faith of Jesus Christ and Him crucified, to convert to Witchcraft, while over 70% of "professing Christians" no longer believe that Jesus Christ is the ONLY way, saying that they believe that all other religions believe the "same god", not discerning that Allah, the Muslim's moon god, had no son; and that Hindus and Buddhists worship thousands of images of idols, including Buddha, and Monkey and other such abominations. This is the very fulfillment of Jude 1:4 per "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness," and this has been carried out and accomplished by false teachers that have crept in unawares into our Churches. None else other than the Freemasons, the enemies of Jesus Christ and His Church. It is difficult for me to mention Walter Martin's name. I know that he wrote the Kingdom of the Cults, and much of his work is used in the Counter Cult Ministry, but he did ignore warnings that had been sounded by other Baptists, and as a result, the S.D.A. False Prophet has been embraced by many Denominational, Non-Denominational, and Inter-Denoninational Groups, and it has had devastating consequences, just as Ravi Zacharias embracement of the Mormons, as he had also ignored warnings from Christians will result in full saturation of leaven into the Churches. This is why there is so much division and confusion, but we must remain faithful and be separate.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
There is a website that I would like to share, of people that have been saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and have been set free from several false prophet strongholds, and their testimonies are availble online to listen to and/or download for free, and they can be useful to learn how to witness and share the Gospel to the deceived. www.towertotruth.net
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The fact of scripture is plain. There is a "Christian liberty" concerning issues not commanded in scripture.
As you are posting in the baptist section of a baptist board it is appropriate to take baptist distinctives as a presupposition. This "Christian liberty" is a historic baptist distinctive.
The reason your argument about cults is a strawman argument is that such cults depart from the gospel. Unless you are claiming Mormons hold the gospel of Christ as true then your argument is false. It is a strawman argument because I told you I am speaking of extra-biblical doctrine and the gospel is not "extra-biblical" ("extra-biblical" means that it is not actually in the bible).
None of the passages you have provided refute my claims that we cannot enforce tradition over Scripture. God's Word is our authority. NOT a "pope", not tradition, not men. The Bible.
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