My viewpoint would be that there are indeed Cardinal truths we MUST uphold as Christians, that if another violates them, cannot remain in fellowship with, such as bodily resurrection of Jesus, Second Coming, saved by grace alone/faith alone, water Baptism for today etc, BUT, that within those main doctrines can be subset disagreements, such as mode of baptism, timing of second coming, which translation should be used etc!
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Dr Mohler has written an excellent discussion in regards to this very discussion!I understand what you are saying, but I do not "agree to disagree" when it comes to Biblical Doctrine.2Tim 3:16-17 2Tim 4:1-5 Eph 6:10-18
A Call for Theological Triage and Christian Maturity – Calvary Baptist Church • Rapid City
Forever Settled
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NO, but if the other party also held to saved by the Cross of Christ, that He alone can save them from their sins, and they had to receive Him thru faith, I would see them as being a confused brother/sister in Christ!
I don't either....when it is scripture. But when it is human doctrine based on scripture then we have to be more careful lest we place ourselves in the position of God.I understand what you are saying, but I do not "agree to disagree" when it comes to Biblical Doctrine.
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There is much more that we can discuss on this topic, but now I want to go ahead and make a thread for the discussion of 1Cor 10. Are you ready?
This is the link: Study & Discussion of 1Corinthians 10
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His very words show otherwise.
You can’t trust Water & Christ......you Must have All faith in
Christ in order to be saved.
He was clearly trusting in water for Regeneration thats what he said anyway.
When it comes to politics -I could not care less the denomination of a candidate. I want to know where he stands on the issues I would have no problem supporting Carson. As of late- Romney - not so much.
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That is why The United States of America had been decreed to no longer be a Christian Nation.
The Lord's words and their definitions never change. He said what He meant and meant what He said. 2Cor 6:14-18 Acts 15:19-29 2Cor 11
The Lord Jesus Christ has issued a call for repentance to all that will hear His voice!
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Jer 18:5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
Jer 18:6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
Jer 18:7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
Jer 18:8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
Jer 18:9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
Jer 18:10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
You do not demonstrate your opinion to be true. You do not prove that one thing caused the other. Perhaps your personal opinion is evidence of faulty reasoning on your part since it may involve use of a fallacy.
Opinions based on use of informal post hoc fallacy would claim that what is first in time is necessarily the cause of what follows. This fallacy of false cause depends on some imagined causal connection that does not exist or has not been proven to exist. Many superstitions were based on this fallacy. It is always possible to find some small resemblance or seeming connection between any two things, but this does not prove one caused the other. The same consequences may have come about in some other way. Many things happen after other events (even regularly) without being caused by them. For example, the sun may rise after the rooster crows but not because the rooster crows. The Douay-Rheims was translated and published before the KJV, but surely it would not claimed that this Catholic Bible was the cause of what followed--the KJV.
Do some people think that they are omniscient to the extent that they can pick out the cause of every event from the infinite number of preceding events? In order to trace ideas and events to their supposed cause, have history books and biased news accounts superseded God's Word as the authority?
This may demonstrate how some of your personal interpreting of the Scriptures can also be incorrect if you are reading your own human opinions concerning history into them or are reading any preconceived non-scriptural opinions into them.
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Specifically, what are you claiming to be the Lord's directly inspired words?
Where are you claiming to find the never-changing definitions of those words?
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Logos I haven’t been on this forum very long.....but I have noticed that anyone who disagrees with your bible correcting is called a liar.
Not everybody is a Bible Corrector....I’m not....IN MY opinion Bible correctors are the liars.
Your allegation is not true. I did not call anyone "a liar". It is not calling someone a liar to say that they did not prove a claim to be true. Someone can be sincerely mistaken or incorrect in their claims and opinions. Someone can even be mistaken in their interpretation of Bible verses. Because someone merely makes a claim or assertion does not mean that it should be blindly assumed to be true. It is proper and sound to ask that a claim to be demonstrated to be true, not merely assumed or claimed. Do you in effect try to suggest that disagreeing with what another person states and claims is supposedly calling that person a liar?
You fail to prove your allegation of claimed "bible correcting" against me to be true. You allege but do not prove.
It is actually in agreement with scriptural truths to say that any errors introduced by men should be corrected since those errors were not given by inspiration of God. The Church of England makers of the KJV made some corrections to the pre-1611 English Bibles of which the KJV is a revision. As correctors and revisers of the pre-1611 English Bible, would a consistent, just application of your stated opinion call the KJV translators liars?
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See what I mean ........I told YOU I am not a Bible Corrector.....therefore you immediately called me a liar.
In context, what I clearly and properly noted is that your allegation that I called someone a liar is not true. You misunderstand or try to distort what I properly stated into something that I did not say.
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Sure how could I have missed something so obvious.....NOT.
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Well EVERY post on this forum you have made since I have been here........ is about correcting and casting doubt on the Bible.
And calling everyone who is not a Bible corrector a Liar.
That is your incorrect opinion. I do not cast any doubt on the Scriptures given by inspiration of God. You fail to prove your allegation that I call others liars to be true. You jump into an incorrect and wrong accusation. Are you in effect suggesting that your disputing what I claim or disagreeing with it is calling me a liar?
You do not define what you mean by your term of allegation "Bible correcting".
Are you claiming that you do not accept the correction of printing errors in a Bible? How is it any different to accept the correction of errors introduced by a printer than to accept the correction of errors introduced by a copier, an editor, or a translator? An error introduced by imperfect men whether a printer, a copier, an editor, or a translator is still an error.
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Endless mantra of babble.
The United States was never a Christian Nation.
Yes, we were founded on Christian-Judeao principals
Yes, many times Christians have had a great influence, ect
But keep in mind the COTUS - "NO RELIGIOUS TEST REQUIRED"
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